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Been out of the country for over a month, I finally got some chances to go to the range for 3 times in 2 weeks. I've found my most accurate rifles are the Remington M1903A3 with a 2-groove 1943 made barrel and the K-31. The K-31 used to be dead right on the little bullseye with the iron sight. But as I mounted/dismounted the scope I knocked the rear sight off, after I put it back on the rifle it shoots a little off to the left. I have an elevated mount to bring the scope to the center and a nice Nikon 4-12x50 scope for the K-31. However, the scope rail is not secured enough to deal with the recoil so my project has been put on hold. Otherwise, with the scope it just shoots the same hole over and over again at 100-yard.

Today I brought these two rifles to the range together with the VKT M39. Using Russian spam can ammo it shot tight groups as the K-31 and 03A3 did. I used Swiss surplus for K-31 and PPU M2 ball for the 03A3. The photo shows groups at 50-yard. If I shot 3-round groups, the holes would be overlapping each other. I guess it was because the first few rounds messed up the orange bullseye so I couldn't see it clearly then the last few shots opened up.

This M39 is really a jewel in my collection. I have three M39s and all are very accurate. This VKT is especially good because the action is butter smooth. You won't believe until you actually work on the action. It is as smooth as the co ck-on-closing rifles like the Lee-Enfield, Swedish Mauser, or Arisaka. It's not bull crap, it never gives me any problem on operating the bolt. It almost feels like a bolt from the Swedish Mauser. Perhaps it's just this particular rifle. Tte bolts of my other two M39s aren't as good. The 2-stage trigger pull is not as good as the K-31's but it's still sweet. The crappy trigger of a normal Mosin-Nagant is no match. The semi pistol grip makes shooting a lot more comfortable. The windage is easily adjustable without a special front sight pusher. I think people into Mosin-Nagant should all buy at least one M39. Instead of spending money on trigger job, free-floating barrel, polishing the bolt, and alternating the stock on a $200 gun, why not spend another $150 to buy an M39? Unless you do these alternations by yourself and you enjoy gunsmithing, I don't think it's worth so much money investing in a 91/30.

If I can only take one rifle into the woods for a month, I would pick the VKT M39 instead of the K-31 or 03A3. Why? Because it's hard to work the K-31 bolt silently and the 03A3 stock is without a semi pistol grip which makes off hand shooting less stable.

My 1918 made ShtLE, 1944 Long Branch No4 Mk1, K-11, and 1901 made Swedish M96 are also very accurate rifles.

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Nice rifles you got there, I found that my M1, and 1903A3 were very accurate. My SAKO M39 is right there with them as well. i would like to run the Finn Heavy Ball 7.62x54r round that the M39 was designed to shoot. The Spam can ammo is 147 grain light ball, the Finns used I think 180 and 205? I heard Yellow tip is the closest load.
 

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Nice rifles you got there, I found that my M1, and 1903A3 were very accurate. My SAKO M39 is right there with them as well. i would like to run the Finn Heavy Ball 7.62x54r round that the M39 was designed to shoot. The Spam can ammo is 147 grain light ball, the Finns used I think 180 and 205? I heard Yellow tip is the closest load.
That's D-166 heavy ball, Lapua has it in production ---> http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/bullets/centerfire-rifle-bullets/16

I would like to try some yellow tip heavy ball. There was a crate available few days ago at a forum. When I discovered that, it was already sold. It is hard to find.
 

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Ditto on the K-31...it's dead accurate. (You might investigate the Swiss Products bolt-on mount for your scope. I have them on both my K-31's and both perform flawlessly. Keeps zero nicely and I've got cheap glass. Here's a good source: http://www.grafs.com.../17797/inline/1 )

While my both my Swiss 1911 and 96/11 are dead accurate and have fantastic triggers, my Enfield P14 gives them a run for their money, although it may be due to the aperture sight on the P14. My oldish eyes can't quite hack straight military V's any more. My M39 shoots okay, but not as good as any of my Swiss guns.
 

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Ditto on the K-31...it's dead accurate. (You might investigate the Swiss Products bolt-on mount for your scope. I have them on both my K-31's and both perform flawlessly. Keeps zero nicely and I've got cheap glass. Here's a good source: http://www.grafs.com.../17797/inline/1 )

While my both my Swiss 1911 and 96/11 are dead accurate and have fantastic triggers, my Enfield P14 gives them a run for their money, although it may be due to the aperture sight on the P14. My oldish eyes can't quite hack straight military V's any more. My M39 shoots okay, but not as good as any of my Swiss guns.
I forgot the website I purchased the mount. It's an offset clamp on mount on the right. Then I bought the elevated add on mount to bring the scope to the center. Somehow I broke the main screw of the add on. The website sent me a new screw. However I forgot how to put the whole thing back together and I'm too lazy to put everything on the working table to figure things out. I tried a few times to put the scope on the off set mount, but the recoil just knocks the scope out of zero after a few shots. So I gave up and put all the accessories in a box. They weren't cheap. Perhaps someday I would suddenly have a feeling to urge myself to start the project again.
 

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Yup, My 03a3 with a two groove barrel seems to be the best shooter I have...
 

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A nice batch of very accurate rifles there.
 

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Shouldn't 100 yards be the benchmark?
It sure should. That's where shooter's skills start dominating the spread which becomes non-linear i.e. 1" grouping at 50yds doesn't translate into 2" at 100yds (iron sights of course). Not to mention additional factors like prone or standing position vs. bench rest. Having said that the 50yd target posted above is pretty cool.
 

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After the recent Doughboy match at LIPSA I have concluded that the shooter is more responsible for accuracy than the rifle.
I was shooting my Czech Mauser and when (not if) I did my part I had no trouble hitting steel at 100 yards. The guy shooting my Mosin had no trouble hitting steel when he did his part. The most important part is knowing how your rifle shoots and time. When under time pressure, like in a match, people tend to rush shots. Even knowing the that the Mauser has a 300 meter battle zero and it shoots high at 100 I realized that I tented to aim at the center of the target and missed high. When someone called the shot I corrected my aim to bottom edge of the target and scored hits. Logically I knew how the rifle shot because I shot it two weeks before and when not rushing the shot scored hits on a 7 inch target at 100 without trouble.
It's true that peep sights are superior to notch and post, but you can't always have what you want.
Knowing your rifle is more important than all the doodads and accessories you can add. That's why there's a saying "Beware of the man who only has one rifle, he knows how to use it."
 

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For me the most accurate is my US Model 1917.
With my light 150gr 30-06 hand loads it's sub MOA all day long.
With a very cool slightly fouled barrel it shoots 1/4 MOA and makes a single hole.
Damn I love that rifle!
 

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After the recent Doughboy match at LIPSA I have concluded that the shooter is more responsible for accuracy than the rifle.
I was shooting my Czech Mauser and when (not if) I did my part I had no trouble hitting steel at 100 yards. The guy shooting my Mosin had no trouble hitting steel when he did his part. The most important part is knowing how your rifle shoots and time. When under time pressure, like in a match, people tend to rush shots. Even knowing the that the Mauser has a 300 meter battle zero and it shoots high at 100 I realized that I tented to aim at the center of the target and missed high. When someone called the shot I corrected my aim to bottom edge of the target and scored hits. Logically I knew how the rifle shot because I shot it two weeks before and when not rushing the shot scored hits on a 7 inch target at 100 without trouble.
It's true that peep sights are superior to notch and post, but you can't always have what you want.
Knowing your rifle is more important than all the doodads and accessories you can add. That's why there's a saying "Beware of the man who only has one rifle, he knows how to use it."
Brownells sells a replacement front sight blade that is oversized for Mausers...All you need is a file to zero your rifle at point of aim...Point of impact at 100yds....takes a little patience on some rifles to install, file, fit, file fit, I did all my mausers..
 
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After the recent Doughboy match at LIPSA I have concluded that the shooter is more responsible for accuracy than the rifle.
I was shooting my Czech Mauser and when (not if) I did my part I had no trouble hitting steel at 100 yards. The guy shooting my Mosin had no trouble hitting steel when he did his part. The most important part is knowing how your rifle shoots and time. When under time pressure, like in a match, people tend to rush shots. Even knowing the that the Mauser has a 300 meter battle zero and it shoots high at 100 I realized that I tented to aim at the center of the target and missed high. When someone called the shot I corrected my aim to bottom edge of the target and scored hits. Logically I knew how the rifle shot because I shot it two weeks before and when not rushing the shot scored hits on a 7 inch target at 100 without trouble.
It's true that peep sights are superior to notch and post, but you can't always have what you want.
Knowing your rifle is more important than all the doodads and accessories you can add. That's why there's a saying "Beware of the man who only has one rifle, he knows how to use it."
Funny you should mention that and I couldn't agree more. I also had a Czech mauser, luckily the guy was calling shots high and I was able to correct even though it just felt unnatural to aim low. Of course when I came back home to clean the rifle I found out that 300m was the lowest setting :) In a high pressure situation the most important thing is to have a natural techique, Jerry Miculek explained it perfectly in one of his pistol shooting videos which I refer to as a requiem to weaver stance and all other things like fancy grips, head ducking, etc ...
On a similar note I found it odd that I was the only guy in my squad using sling when shooting from standing position. In retrospect that cost me a single miss when shooting from that moving bridge but I think I have an explanation from that: my rifle was tightly coupled to my moving body and I was not able to correct the aim as easily as I would've been had my left arm been "free floating"
 
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