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Hi Gang - You'll have to excuse my ignorance on this subject........but here goes...
You all have provided me with input regarding "RED DOTS" vs. SCOPES.
I understand that red dots are for short range and scopes are for long range.
I also understand that red dots help in "rapid target acquisition"

BUT, unless I'm killing zombies, clearing out a room, or hunting cheetahs, why would I need a red dot?
Paper targets aren't going anywhere, so I certainly wouldn't have to "target them rapidly."
Secondly, at 50 yards, a red dot would entirely cover a 2 inch bulls-eye. That wouldn't be too accurate, would it ?
Thirdly, if red dots are not magnified, I would assue you can do just as well with irons.
So..........I ask you.......what's the hype with red dots? What am I missing here ?
Please clear this up for my lost and tormented soul
 

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I agree with most of what you said and I have an aimpoint which was fun at first but I rarely use it. 9 out of 10 times you will find me shooting with iron sights.

Although I have been contemplating selling the aimpoint to buy a trijicon. I was able to shoot a friends rifle which had a trijicon and I really liked it. I am a glutton for spending $ on guns. I also have a magnifier for the aimpoint but I think I'm going to sell the whole setup for a trijicon.
 

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Holographic red dots are great for their intended use, but they are a tool for a specific job. Just like anything else, use the best tool for any specific job. That said, when I'm at the range, I love me some iron sights. I guess if I was in the business of urban combat, I'd want to give red dots a good hard look at.
 

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Strat688 said:
Hi Gang - You'll have to excuse my ignorance on this subject........but here goes...
You all have provided me with input regarding "RED DOTS" vs. SCOPES.
I understand that red dots are for short range and scopes are for long range.
I also understand that red dots help in "rapid target acquisition"

BUT, unless I'm killing zombies, clearing out a room, or hunting cheetahs, why would I need a red dot?
Paper targets aren't going anywhere, so I certainly wouldn't have to "target them rapidly."
Secondly, at 50 yards, a red dot would entirely cover a 2 inch bulls-eye. That wouldn't be too accurate, would it ?
Thirdly, if red dots are not magnified, I would assue you can do just as well with irons.
So..........I ask you.......what's the hype with red dots? What am I missing here ?
Please clear this up for my lost and tormented soul
You've pretty much summed it up already...Like everything else, red dots sights are a tool designed for a specific purpose. You either need it, or you don't. Fork lifts work great, but I don't need one out back in the shed...If most/all of your shooting is done from a bench at distances of 50 yds +, then a red dot alone with no magnification won't help you much. However, at some point you might find yourself participating in timed tactical shooting competitions, where you're not trying to shoot quarter sized groups. In carbine matches, or 2 or 3 gun matches, the goals are different. You're engaging multiple targets at relatively close quarters, sometimes multiple times per target. In that case, the quick target acquisition that a red dot affords is quite useful.

On a side note, even if you don't think you have any interest in this type of shooting, I suggest you give it a try. It's a ton of fun, and it's the closest thing you're ever going to get to a geniune tactical shooting scenario. Yes, scores are being kept, but they are usually very low-pressure events...everyone's just there to have fun.
 

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Lot of folks compete in 3 gun shoots and the like. Shooting at stationary paper is one facet of the sport. Cowboy shoots are another completely different type of comp. that warrants its own specialized equipment. You know what they say, different strokes....
 

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A properly sighted in red dot eliminates the potential error of front-rear sight misalignment, and/or sight picture change during firing. Iron sights cover a bullseye too - and everything under it, so the red dot can actually give you greater visibility. Plus, you can buy a magnifier for many red dots, and now you have a scope for long range or close range still with one simple aiming point. Especially if it's an Eotech with drop compensating dots.
 

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Another facet... a lot of people's eyes don't work well enough for irons.

As far as the "not so accurate" question, it depends. I've shot plenty of 1" (even sub 1") groups at 100 yards, with a 4 MOA dot. Yes, the dot is 4 times bigger than the group, but it doesn't matter. What matters is putting the dot in the exact same spot every time, just like any other sight. Is it easier with a smaller dot, probably. How large are your iron sights? probably covering a lot more than 4 MOA.
 

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Red dots are great for turkey hunting in heavy wooded areas where the sun is shaded.
 

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You guys are the best !!!
 

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I like my EOTech XPS2 on whatever I keep as my house weapon. I currently have my son's HP995 set up with the XPS2. <-- funny, the optic is worth almost twice what the carbine cost. At 25 to 50 yards he can thread a needle with that setup. At the range it is fun for plinking at 25 to 100 yards. The holo, and red dots are usually the first grabbed off my tailgate by new shooters. I love to train as I would fight, and bench / sandbag shooting offers little fun for me. Standing, kneeling, sitting and moving with the holographic or laser pointer gives me a little more satisfaction. Unfortunately there are not too many live fire houses in NY.

You can always try the cowitness setup, and go iron through red dot, or through holo.

PS, as for the dot covering the whole bullseye at 50 ids.. a lot of the cheap red / green dot optics are 5 MOA in size... that'll blur out your target. A quality 1 MOA dot might make you grin. I have the circle reticle with 1 MOA dot.

YMMV.. i just love situational shooting... even when punching paper. speed double tap, 2 and 1 body armor drills.

great site here by the way.
 

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"Why would you need a red dot?" is as fair a question as "Why would you need a scope?" or "Why would you need a gun?"...

You can hunt, defend your family, and have fun with all three... But for the most part, most people will probably never be in "need" of any of them. A red dot might be a good choice if you are building a HD gun, or just a brush gun for hunting. I prefer iron sights or low powered scopes, but everyone has thier own opinions and thier own reasons.
 

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My eyes aren't so good anymore and the red dot helps me with bullseye shooting.
 

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Well, why do I have guns at all?  I don't hunt so if I only cared about home defense, I would only have one.  As it happens, I have more than one.  Why? Same reason I want an EOTech.. because it's fun  :)
 

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I don't need a gun.
I have never needed a gun.
I hope I never need a gun.
I will probably never need a gun.
But if I ever need a gun, I had better have a gun.
So, I have a gun.
 
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