As I said, "you do you". To me, it's not worth being charged with a felony and then losing my guns. And you're right, when you're being charged with that felony, I too, would advise you to keep quiet, speaking only to the very expensive lawyer you'll be hiring to try to get you out of the felony. SMH.
Those who have a CCW
Those who took the 18 hour course and have been issued a CCW license for Suffolk. Do you regularly carry like a normal state allows? Now that the prices of classes are coming down do you feel it’s worth being able to carry in limited circumstances since many lawsuits are active? Asking cause I have friends who want to take the course but aren’t sure if they’re even able to carry daily with out risking a felony
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if you are in the legal industry then you know that the state legal system is a mess and privately run venues are way more efficient . It’s the state that doesn’t work, neither does the ballot box because the candy man will always be more attractive then the doctorLegally? Well, under German law of the Third Reich, yes.
What is moral is immutable, absolute, and unchanging. However, people have funny ideas of their own about what is and is not moral. Did the Führer not believe he was pursuing the highest moral good for the Fatherland in carrying out his Final Solution? One what grounds do you disagree he was not?
Paul's question is valid, goes to the heart of the matter, and is still pending.
1. Not the opposite at all. Only laws that run contrary to the natural law infringe on morality. Not those that merely sit outside of it.
2. In other words, everything is fair and works great when everything is fair and works great. Of course "the “right to contract” gets resolved through the private sector all the time." The State is there for when it doesn't. Consequently, the ballot box, jury box, and cartridge box are for those times when the State doesn't work.
if morality is subjective then murder would simply be no different then a lion killing a rabbit for its meal and natural law wouldn’t exist
most man made laws on the books infringe or restrict, rather then sit outside of it.
It probably won’t be the community that rats you out for having a gun. It will probably be the police chain of command to increase arrests. Just like the over 50,000 people who were arrested for pocket knives by NYPD recently
I had a student that was an FBI agent coming to a class in Nassau for training (knife and empty hand self-defense). Ten minutes after the class starts two NCPD officers walk in and ask who owns XYZ vehicle. My student goes outside with them and comes back in a few minutes later. I ask him what was that about. Apparently someone saw his firearm when he was getting stuff out of the trunk of his car and called PD. He shown his ID and that was the end of it.I think the chances are very unlikely that anyone would want to put themselves out and start such a commotion. There is a reasonable chance that the person that accidently exposed / printed their weapon could be a current or past member of law enforcement; and anyone with even a shred of common sense should realize that. I believe that most people simply don't want to get egg in their face from such a situation.
Of course you could have a person that looks like a hoodlum that has a gun tucked into the back of their pants (felon carry), but I would bet the farm that an average person would be more fearful of getting vocal, pointing that person out, and making a commotion. They would most likely steer clear of the person and maybe call the police when they are a good distance away.
There was another time we were with a number of families in Belmont Lake State Park. A friend with a target license but carried everywhere bent over and the handle of his revolver showed. Someone in the park saw it, called the police and pointed him out. They had a talk with him, he show them his license and they left telling him to keep it concealed.
There was another incident I know of at a traffic stop where the officer saw the pistol license, asked if he was carrying, told him he was out of class and take it home.
The cops I know don't care about the restrictions. They know the hoops you jumped through to get the license and understand YOU are not the problem.
Depends on the cop who stops you. Never say you have a gun when stopped by Law Enforcement. With more agencies using body cameras. The administration will review the officers actions.I had a student that was an FBI agent coming to a class in Nassau for training (knife and empty hand self-defense). Ten minutes after the class starts two NCPD officers walk in and ask who owns XYZ vehicle. My student goes outside with them and comes back in a few minutes later. I ask him what was that about. Apparently someone saw his firearm when he was getting stuff out of the trunk of his car and called PD. He shown his ID and that was the end of it.
There was another time we were with a number of families in Belmont Lake State Park. A friend with a target license but carried everywhere bent over and the handle of his revolver showed. Someone in the park saw it, called the police and pointed him out. They had a talk with him, he show them his license and they left telling him to keep it concealed.
There was another incident I know of at a traffic stop where the officer saw the pistol license, asked if he was carrying, told him he was out of class and take it home.
The cops I know don't care about the restrictions. They know the hoops you jumped through to get the license and understand YOU are not the problem.
So where do this objective, ironclad, unchanging moral laws come from?It probably won’t be the community that rats you out for having a gun. It will probably be the police chain of command to increase arrests. Just like the over 50,000 people who were arrested for pocket knives by NYPD recently
Going out of order.....if you are in the legal industry then you know that the state legal system is a mess and privately run venues are way more efficient . It’s the state that doesn’t work, neither does the ballot box because the candy man will always be more attractive then the doctor
if morality is subjective then murder would simply be no different then a lion killing a rabbit for its meal and natural law wouldn’t exist
most man made laws on the books infringe or restrict, rather then sit outside of it.
--As to what civil laws restrict or infringe the natural law, again I think "most" is an exaggeration. Most laws have no moral content. but at least you are moving in right direction.
--Yes, of course the private venues are more efficient...when they work. But again, the state is there for when those private venues do not work. Private venues are based on consent. Government is based on force when that consent cannot be obtained willingly.
--Again, morality is absolute, immutable and unchanging. But, again, not everyone thinks that way and even those that do have a different moral source than you or me. That's problem when the two are in conflict. Case in point, Russia, Iraq, and Nazi Germany were lions that have preyed on the rabbits in Ukraine, Kuwait, and Europe.
Which brings us back to Paul's question.......what is YOUR source of morality?
Carrying any weapon is ALWAYS something that requires thought and consideration- That said, I'm SO glad I live in a state where I carry every day, wherever I want (with VERY few restrictions) and don't have to worry about this BS. Here in FL, even a momentary accidental display is not a crimeYou stop for gas, while carrying. Your gun prints, your shirt lifts, something random happens and someone sees you are carrying a concealed handgun.
They call the police. Maybe they yell "He's got a gun", while you're in a grocery store. Remember, concealed carry is very new in NY State. People may not know about the CCW laws. Have fun explaining why you are carrying your handgun, concealed, in a sensitive area. Kiss your CCW goodbye. You do you.
I took a course in December. I received a call a few days ago, to pick up my CCW next week. It's pretty much useless at this point. And I highly recommend EVERYONE take the current course. It will educate those wanting to carry now, and it will make you think long and hard about where/when you want to carry, in the event the courts rule in our favor. I won't be changing my "lifestyle" to carry, when allowed to do so. I'll carefully consider where/when I'll be carrying. Responsibility and liability are huge considerations for those with the brains to think this through. JMO.
I get the impression that if you plan a weekend family trip out you have to figure out where you can carry and where you cant....so yea, most will leave it at home.I have mine and I would say save your money. I feel like it’s not worth having it. It’s not worth the chance to me getting caught even though the odds are slim if your concealed the right way. If you’re caught you lose all your guns and are a felon is it worth it?
They planned it that way in order to not issue CCW, or to put it another way, issue CCW but make it useless.
But hey....we will cash the check.
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