"Limited circumstances" doesn't begin to describe the restrictions on a carry license NOW under the current CCIA. Many of us are waiting to see how the current cases before the Federal Court are decided. If they rule the onerous sensitive areas restriction is constitutional (and I believe they will) nobody will be carrying anywhere other than your backyard till it goes to the Supreme Court and hopefully overturned. And who knows how long that will be.
Those who have a CCW
Those who took the 18 hour course and have been issued a CCW license for Suffolk. Do you regularly carry like a normal state allows? Now that the prices of classes are coming down do you feel it’s worth being able to carry in limited circumstances since many lawsuits are active? Asking cause I have friends who want to take the course but aren’t sure if they’re even able to carry daily with out risking a felony
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i carry eveywhere one would want to carry stores, work ect. I dont carry going to shows or concerts or sporting events or if at a bar. These laws are a joke and no DA especially in suffolk is going to charge a person with no priors with a felony when the courts are about to find alot of this unconstitutional . This is a scare tactic by the democrats up in Albany and it will work. Just make sure u have a good set up the right pistol and holster and clothing. That being said if u don't feel comfortable with that might as well get it because soon enough it will be much more open.Those who took the 18 hour course and have been issued a CCW license for Suffolk. Do you regularly carry like a normal state allows? Now that the prices of classes are coming down do you feel it’s worth being able to carry in limited circumstances since many lawsuits are active? Asking cause I have friends who want to take the course but aren’t sure if they’re even able to carry daily with out risking a felony
I have mine and I would say save your money. I feel like it’s not worth having it. It’s not worth the chance to me getting caught even though the odds are slim if your concealed the right way. If you’re caught you lose all your guns and are a felon is it worth it?
You definitely do not want to get caught inside a Sensitive Location. Private Property, Restricted Locations either has a sign or gives you expressed permission. If you are a regular patron and licensed to carry concealed, it is unlikely you will need to worry about it.
Do you think what the DA, put on his website is just a scare tactic? By the way, he is a former prosecutor.i carry eveywhere one would want to carry stores, work ect. I dont carry going to shows or concerts or sporting events or if at a bar. These laws are a joke and no DA especially in suffolk is going to charge a person with no priors with a felony when the courts are about to find alot of this unconstitutional . This is a scare tactic by the democrats up in Albany and it will work. Just make sure u have a good set up the right pistol and holster and clothing. That being said if u don't feel comfortable with that might as well get it because soon enough it will be much more open.
It a personal decision each individual will need to make.
The Suffolk County District Attorney's Office
Raymond A. Tierney, District Attorney
"No one is above the Law"
eventually u willI have mine and I would say save your money. I feel like it’s not worth having it. It’s not worth the chance to me getting caught even though the odds are slim if your concealed the right way. If you’re caught you lose all your guns and are a felon is it worth it?
ya i know all about it u went on his website hes got bigger fish to fry the worrying about ccw holders. How would it look if he charged someone with a felony then 2 months later its gets shot downDo you think what the DA, put on his website is just a scare tactic? By the way, he is a former prosecutor.
It a personal decision each individual will need to make.
The Suffolk County District Attorney's Office
Raymond A. Tierney, District Attorney
"No one is above the Law"
How would it look if they had a few squad cars tied up arresting a ccw license holder with no record, for stopping at his favorite diner while 4 or 5 people were getting shot in a drive by in a nearby area?eventually u will
ya i know all about it u went on his website hes got bigger fish to fry the worrying about ccw holders. How would it look if he charged someone with a felony then 2 months later its gets shot down
exactly just be smart and you will be fine. Ive talked to cops about this atleast 3 they all say this is not something they a concerned over as long as your not brandishing or being an asshole u will be fineHow would it look if they had a few squad cars tied up arresting a ccw license holder with no record, for stopping at his favorite diner while 4 or 5 people were getting shot in a drive by in a nearby area?
If you are carrying properly in a "sensitive" or "restricted" location, it's a non event until something happens that results in you divulging that you have a weapon. Even if displaying your weapon is 100% legit and otherwise lawful, the best way to describe that is a "break glass" event.
It doesn't matter whether or not you are charged with carrying in a "sensitive" or "restricted" location. If the PLB catches wind of it, your license will be either suspended or revoked. A simple police report of an incident will likely put you on their radar. At that point you can kiss your handguns and rifles goodbye.
It doesn't matter whether or not you are charged with carrying in a "sensitive" or "restricted" location. If the PLB catches wind of it, your license will be either suspended or revoked. A simple police report of an incident will likely put you on their radar. At that point you can kiss your handguns and rifles goodbye.
In my opinion the way it stands now you have to weigh the infinitesimal chance you would actually need to draw or fire (god forbid) a handgun in a sensitive place versus the extremely unlikely event you would be spotted carrying it concealed, or in this case not very well concealed. Thats a choice only the owner can make. I have stopped and got gas with my "sportsman" a few times since last summers CCIA without the slightest hesitation going to and from the range despite it being a "sensitive" location. Ten things would have to go wrong for me to be caught carrying concealed and I have done so for 30+ years.
exactly i feel in my own person opinion id rather have it with me and not need it then not have it and need it.In my opinion the way it stands now you have to weigh the infinitesimal chance you would actually need to draw or fire (god forbid) a handgun in a sensitive place versus the extremely unlikely event you would be spotted carrying it concealed, or in this case not very well concealed. Thats a choice only the owner can make. I have stopped and got gas with my "sportsman" a few times since last summers CCIA without the slightest hesitation going to and from the range despite it being a "sensitive" location. Ten things would have to go wrong for me to be caught carrying concealed and I have done so for 30+ years.
My "full carry" isn't valid in many places thanks to the CCIA.Those who took the 18 hour course and have been issued a CCW license for Suffolk. Do you regularly carry like a normal state allows? Now that the prices of classes are coming down do you feel it’s worth being able to carry in limited circumstances since many lawsuits are active? Asking cause I have friends who want to take the course but aren’t sure if they’re even able to carry daily with out risking a felony
As I've said before, no, it's not worth the time and money for the class (for me) to have a license that says I can carry.
And if you're someone who is willing to carry in a so-called sensitive or restricted location, and are therefore risking the class E felony, then why bother with the CCW class at all and just risk the misdemeanor of carrying on a so-called "premises" license?
If you live in western Suffolk, by taking the class now, you might get your CCW the same time the courts have removed some restrictions. SCPD PLB is probably up to 6 months wait for your upgrade.My "full carry" isn't valid in many places thanks to the CCIA.
As I've said before, no, it's not worth the time and money for the class (for me) to have a license that says I can carry.
And if you're someone who is willing to carry in a so-called sensitive or restricted location, and are therefore risking the class E felony, then why bother with the CCW class at all and just risk the misdemeanor of carrying on a so-called "premises" license?
So are you saying if I carry right now (I have a Nassau County Target & Hunting) and get caught it's a misdemeanor but if I get the CCW and carry it's a felony? Thank you...My "full carry" isn't valid in many places thanks to the CCIA.
As I've said before, no, it's not worth the time and money for the class (for me) to have a license that says I can carry.
And if you're someone who is willing to carry in a so-called sensitive or restricted location, and are therefore risking the class E felony, then why bother with the CCW class at all and just risk the misdemeanor of carrying on a so-called "premises" license?
I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about carrying with a sportsman license if the CCIA sensitive areas restrictions are lifted. Especially if I have submitted the upgrade documents and are waiting on some SCPD slow walked paperwork.
As someone who is involved in thousands of weapons cases. You have to be naive to think cops don’t arrest people under petty laws. They absolutely do
I keep using the gravity knife example…but tens of thousands have been arrested in the past for carrying an innocent pocket knife in New York, because you can hold the blade and swing out the handle using centrifugal force. Even if it took the cop ten tries to make it work on a stiff knife.
When the supreme courts finally overturned the law do you think the DA (Vance) and other police officers were embarrassed?….Hell no!!!….many of them got great publicity, better performance reviews, and promotions for those arrests
meanwhile tons of tourists, blue collar workers, and innocent people spent thousands in legal fee's and landed up with a record
I keep using the gravity knife example…but tens of thousands have been arrested in the past for carrying an innocent pocket knife in New York, because you can hold the blade and swing out the handle using centrifugal force. Even if it took the cop ten tries to make it work on a stiff knife.
When the supreme courts finally overturned the law do you think the DA (Vance) and other police officers were embarrassed?….Hell no!!!….many of them got great publicity, better performance reviews, and promotions for those arrests
meanwhile tons of tourists, blue collar workers, and innocent people spent thousands in legal fee's and landed up with a record
The people on this forum know that better than anyone. The people saying (something approximating) that are talking about 1) the odds of being caught AND 2) the odds of being charged with this particular law.As someone who is involved in thousands of weapons cases. You have to be naive to think cops don’t arrest people under petty laws. They absolutely do
The gravity knife is a good example in theory, but not as transferable. That is a law far more vague than the CCIA and it's a lot easier for someone (citizen and LEO) to be ignorant about it. There is also a lot more sympathy for gun than knives.
It could be both. Possessing a handgun anywhere but a range, hunting, security posting (if you also have an armed guard license) or gunshop/gunsmith (or in between) on a so called "premises" license is misdemeanor. Having a gun in a sensitive or restricted location is a felony--regardless of whether you have a license or what type of license that is.So are you saying if I carry right now (I have a Nassau County Target & Hunting) and get caught it's a misdemeanor but if I get the CCW and carry it's a felony? Thank you...
My point was to say that if you already willing to commit the felony by carrying in a sensitive place with a carry license (post 18 hour class), you might as well commit the the misdemeanor as well and just carry with a premises license. In for a penny, in for a pound.
Now, in your case with your license, you would be guilty of the felony of possessing in a restricted/sensitive location. You "might" get the misdemeanor. But if you've been issued a license that lets you carry AT ALL (which you do), even though it's restricted, it would be a hard sell to say you have just a premises license and therefore should be guilty of the misdemeanor.
Yes, at least temporarily removed the restriction while the trial pends. That is also part of the calculation. Just the restricted locations? Some sensitive places? Which ones and enough of them? Is a Sportsman issued after September 2022 without having taken the class technically still a carry permit if it's let you carry concealed to and from the range? (I'd say yes). What are the odds of being caught? Do you want to make the case if those odds run against you?If you live in western Suffolk, by taking the class now, you might get your CCW the same time the courts have removed some restrictions. SCPD PLB is probably up to 6 months wait for your upgrade.
That all goes into it also.
all laws are vague, if they weren’t I would be out of businessThe people on this forum know that better than anyone. The people saying (something approximating) that are talking about 1) the odds of being caught AND 2) the odds of being charged with this particular law.
The gravity knife is a good example in theory, but not as transferable. That is a law far more vague than the CCIA and it's a lot easier for someone (citizen and LEO) to be ignorant about it. There is also a lot more sympathy for gun than knives.
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