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I have been looking for a job in law enforcement. I recently received my first actual rejection letter from a law enforcement agency and I figured I should look for some input on this.

I have a 4 year degree in criminal justice from a well known school. Zero criminal history, some minor traffic tickets and collisions spread out over the course of my driving history. Never used an illegal drug in my life, no firearms violations, overall I have a pretty clean record.

I have applied to a few different agencies, mostly out of state. Some of them I could not make it to the tests. I did take suffolk county and could not make it to the physical test due to an injury at work, submitted a temporary declination and still haven't heard back from them but I've since decided that I need to move out of NY anyway. The agency that rejected me is out of state.

For this agency I passed the written and physical tests, attended an interview, took a psychological battery and a polygraph. I was told that everything came back with good results and my detective verbally indicated that I should expect to be invited back to a final interview. The only matter that seemed to present any trouble was my current line of employment: I work in the music industry. My detective grilled me on drug questions and I was asked about drug use on the polygraph. I have never used an illegal drug in my life (nor sold or transported or anything) and I explained that to the detective and answered as such on the polygraph. My detective seemed unwilling to accept that someone who works in the music industry could possibly have never at least tried marijuana.

Upon being asked, I truthfully explained that working in my industry I see drug use all the time. My detective asked me why I still work in the field and never changed jobs. I explained that this is how I make my living, that to change jobs would result in a drastic and unsustainable reduce in pay, and that I currently am trying to change jobs by getting into law enforcement, which is what I wanted to do before I ever got into the music industry in the first place. Also that, being in New York, changing jobs wouldn't even make a difference because pretty much everyone in NYC smokes pot at least on occasion anyway.

When I got the letter notifying me that I had been removed from the application process, I called my detective and politely asked if he could offer any explanation for why I was dropped. He stated that he could not give me a reason why. I asked if he could offer any advice for applying to other agencies. He indicated that I should change my job.

This is where I see a problem. Here I am, with a clean record, being 100% truthful in my application, choosing every day of my life to make the right decisions and not engage in any conduct that should give me any trouble getting into law enforcement, proving to everyone that knows me that even in the face of easy access and constant temptation I am able to do the right thing, and it has been indicated that the reason I am unfit for law enforcement is because I work in the music industry? Even though I have never been involved in illegal drug use and there is zero evidence in existence to suggest that I ever have?

Does anyone have anything to say about this?

I shouldn't have to change jobs before I can... change jobs. The whole point is that I'm TRYING to change my job and this particular agency just denied me an opportunity to do so based on guilt by association. Honestly, when the detective was grilling me about marijuana I felt like it would have been easier to lie and say 'Yeah, I tried it once, experimentally" just to get him off my back about the fact that I have NEVER even tried it.
 

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That sounds like an invalid reason... arnt these agencies equal opportunity employers? You cant discriminate someone based on a past job, thats just not right. If i were you, i'd request a formal reason why, i believe you should have that right
 

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Wow... Unreal... What state was this for if you don't mind us asking?
VA, it was a county police department.

Pate, thanks but they want you to be a resident of Rockland County on the date of the examination.
 

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Welcome to Prohibition. You are considered collateral damage.

None of it makes sense to me. Keep applying. Honesty will take you a long way in this world.
 

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Keep applying and something will def come your way. You sound like a nice gentleman with good character. I know its not easy but, HANG IN THERE!
 

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Sorry to hear about the rejection.

One issue I'm wondering about is whether this rejection may come up in questioning when completing other applications for a job in LE...."have you every been denied employment?".
 

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I will tell you this-

Coming from the NY metro Area, you are accustomed to a level of professionalism in Law Enforcement that is not a standard, nationwide.

There are some great local PDs out there- but there are many that would be comically bad, if they weren't the law of the land in their jurisdiction.

Perhaps you are lucky to have been screened out of that one.

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Also, it may in fact be a de-facto policy of that PD not to hire people with 'jew-names'. I am not kidding about that.
 

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I would rather be rejected for something stupid like that than just constantly getting the "You are extremely qualified, we'll be in touch # months from now" and then either never hearing back or hearing that they are in a hiring freeze after being strung along for 6-8 months already.

Best of luck mate.
 

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Ramone said:
Also, it may in fact be a de-facto policy of that PD not to hire people with 'jew-names'. I am not kidding about that.
Please, do elaborate.
 

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I was told by a County Sheriff in VA that he only hires 'Church going Christians'- he added, a bit later in the conversation, that Catholics were not Christians.

Being a New Yorker (like being a Marine, there is no 'Ex' in it) Living in the south can be quite eye opening.
 

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You never know what happens. Its always up to people. Not a department, a government an agency but a person or people.'They have their prejudices.
I would say that this line you wrote," ...that, being in New York, changing jobs wouldn't even make a difference because pretty much everyone in NYC smokes pot at least on occasion anyway. "
raised my eyebrows.
I lived in NYC for 5 years. Worked there for 16 and I would disagree with that statement. Either way, that statement could give someone the impression that you condone an illegal activity. I would not say that again. If asked about your job like that again I would still respond truthfully but I'd add how uncomfortable it makes you and its one of the reasons you don't fit it.
 

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Ramone said:
I was told by a County Sheriff in VA that he only hires 'Church going Christians'- he added, a bit later in the conversation, that Catholics were not Christians.

Being a New Yorker (like being a Marine, there is no 'Ex' in it) Living in the south can be quite eye opening.
What a hasty generalization. The South has anything to do with a downstate NY police department because?
 

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If you want to get into Law Enforcement profession you need to get your foot in the door. Either join the fire dept if you live on long island of join aux police in  Nassau county otherwise its  
 

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I can say that it is not easy getting into law enforcement these days with the amount of people applying. LE agencies now have the comfort of picking and choosing who they want, when they want, whereas several years ago that may not have been the case. You never can tell what they are looking for sometimes and allot of the times it's the luck of the draw, regarding who you get as an investigator. I have a friend who is one of the most psychologically sound people that I know and he was psyched out of the NYPD. I know that from my own experience, the person who investigates you has an enormous amount of power over you getting hired or not. Just the flip of a pen will sometimes be a deciding factor. It behouves you to try to conform to that persons idea of what it takes to be in LE.

All I can say is keep applying and apply everywhere. It will pay off eventually, if you are who you say you are. I went through the process with 2 big federal agencies before I got on the job and decided to take my current job rather than waiting because of my age. I may still have a shot with one, but im pretty happy where I am. Do what's right for you and don't stop trying.

One of the big resources that I used was:

http://forums.officer.com/f174/

Federal jobs: (be prepared to spend the night applying. Don't start applying to one until you have time)

https://www.usajobs.gov/
 

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max123 said:
If you want to get into Law Enforcement profession you need to get your foot in the door. Either join the fire dept if you live on long island of join aux police in Nassau county otherwise its
Aux Police will not benefit you. Trust me!
 
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