[BrewKnow]

I read the County’s rebuttle, and it seems fairly strong, but also dances around the threat of arrest during training and disqualifies some key points with technicalities.

Mr. Melloni’s site with Legal info / Docs

I thought I should help out and put in my own “two cents”.

So I just did. ( For a second time )

And now also sharing with You.

You decide on your own.

GoFundMe for the Lawsuit

Thanks for reading.
-BrewKnow

 

[2edgesword]

This lawsuit lays out many of the grievances I have with the licensing process in Suffolk County, especially the long delays. It's absolutely ridiculous. Very happy to donate to the cause and would encourage others to do also regardless of the amount.

 

[Nordon]

Its about goddamn time, the first 6-18 months has NOTHING to do with applying for the STATE license, all Suffolk related questions, steps, etc. that the state does not even recognize, but Suffolk treats it more like a county license, it needs to come to a stop, one state, one process, just like any other license.

 

[boosti]

People have used an attorney to send a letter of intent to sue the County for the long delay in processing a pistol license. In those instances, a pistol license was issued.

 

[notyourgunlawyer]

Rumor going around that SCPD arrested an applicant that took the class and submitted the cert with an original application, anyone heard anything?

 

[sig45]

Rumor going around that SCPD arrested an applicant that took the class and submitted the cert with an original application, anyone heard anything?

Arrested for what tho i have not seen anything when i looked.

 

[Lou G]

I copied this off a email from NYSRPA

NYSRPA v. Nigrelli (CCIA Lawsuit) originally Bruen 2​

THIS IS AN URGENT MESSAGE FROM TOM KING! IF YOU MEET THE CRITERIA: ACT NOW!​

NYSRPA v. Nigrelli (CCIA Lawsuit) originally NYSRPA vs Bruen 2 The NYSRPA is looking for individuals, who meet the requirements listed below, to join our challenge. Please respond to this email with your name and contact information if you are interested in becoming a plaintiff in the lawsuit and meet any of these requirements: Submitted after September 1, 2022 an application for a carry license and that application was denied. Submitted after September 1, 2022, an application for a carry license and that application is still pending. Possess an unrestricted carry license and desire to carry a firearm into any of these locations: 1. A place controlled by the federal, state, or local government that is used for government administration. 2. Public transit (bus, ferry, train, subway, etc.); 3. Library, public playground, public park, zoo, nursery or childcare center, or summer camp. 4. A mental health or addiction facility or place for individuals with developmental disabilities. 5. A homeless or domestic violence shelter. 6. A senior center. 7. Theater, sports stadium or arena, racetrack, museum, banquet hall, or casino. All responders should not otherwise be prohibited from obtaining a carry permit. Thank you all for your support and time is of the essence. Tom King Cogito ergo armatum sum​

 

[sig45]

I copied this off a email from NYSRPA

​ NYSRPA v. Nigrelli (CCIA Lawsuit) originally Bruen 2​

​

​ THIS IS AN URGENT MESSAGE FROM TOM KING! IF YOU MEET THE CRITERIA: ACT NOW!​

​ NYSRPA v. Nigrelli (CCIA Lawsuit) originally NYSRPA vs Bruen 2 The NYSRPA is looking for individuals, who meet the requirements listed below, to join our challenge. Please respond to this email with your name and contact information if you are interested in becoming a plaintiff in the lawsuit and meet any of these requirements: ​ Submitted after September 1, 2022 an application for a carry license and that application was denied. Submitted after September 1, 2022, an application for a carry license and that application is still pending. Possess an unrestricted carry license and desire to carry a firearm into any of these locations: 1. A place controlled by the federal, state, or local government that is used for government administration. 2. Public transit (bus, ferry, train, subway, etc.); 3. Library, public playground, public park, zoo, nursery or childcare center, or summer camp. 4. A mental health or addiction facility or place for individuals with developmental disabilities. 5. A homeless or domestic violence shelter. 6. A senior center. 7. Theater, sports stadium or arena, racetrack, museum, banquet hall, or casino. All responders should not otherwise be prohibited from obtaining a carry permit. Thank you all for your support and time is of the essence. Tom King Cogito ergo armatum sum​

dont they have people already? Dose this indicate they might not have standing in that case? I would sign up but i dont fit the criteria as i already got my carry

 

[Gary_Hungerford]

dont they have people already? Dose this indicate they might not have standing in that case? I would sign up but i dont fit the criteria as i already got my carry

I would suspect they're looking for more plaintiffs, to make it harder for NYS to pull standing tricks and you would qualify, under requirement #3.
Gary

 

[sig45]

I would suspect they're looking for more plaintiffs, to make it harder for NYS to pull standing tricks and you would qualify, under requirement #3.
Gary

hmm good to know alrighty then

 

[sig45]

I just sent an email to NYSRPA gave them all my information. I am more then welcome to become a plaintiff

 

[notyourgunlawyer]

Arrested for what tho i have not seen anything when i looked.

Presumably for admitting to shooting a handgun in NY without a license in order to qualify.

 

[sig45]

Presumably for admitting to shooting a handgun in NY without a license in order to qualify.

oo gotchaa idk why u would go admit to that but oook

 

[notyourgunlawyer]

oo gotchaa idk why u would go admit to that but oook

If you hand in your application with the 18-hour certificate, you’ve admitted to shooting a gun.

 

[boosti]

If you hand in your application with the 18-hour certificate, you’ve admitted to shooting a gun.

All those applicants under the CCIA 18 hour training are getting jammed up for shooting a pistol without a license?

 

[Peconic Paladin]

Presumably for admitting to shooting a handgun in NY without a license in order to qualify.

Which is not illegal, btw.

Funny enough, I heard an instructor tell me today that NYSP, Nassau and Western Suffolk were telling people that they CANNOT allow students to take the course first. And even that the instructor could be arrested!

Personally I hope the rumor is true just so the guy who was arrested and his attorney could retire very wealthy.

 

[sig45]

If you hand in your application with the 18-hour certificate, you’ve admitted to shooting a gun.

well thats not necessarily tru you can shoot a real gun with simuntion to pass your 18 hour people at my class used it that had no permit yet but that was back in September so thing might have changed

 

[Peconic Paladin]

well thats not necessarily tru you can shoot a real gun with simuntion to pass your 18 hour people at my class used it that had no permit yet but that was back in September so thing might have changed

Shooting a real gun with simmunition is legally the same as shooting a real gun with real ammunition.

What makes it legal is not the type of gun, but a change in Penal Law Section 265.20, adding paragraph 3-a and saying you no longer need a license to shoot with an instructor.

 

[RSL]

I find it absolutely incomprehensible that law enforcement and their legal bureaus apparently have not read the CCIA. The CCIA specifically amended the NY Penal Law to exempt unlicensed individuals undergoing live-fire training under the supervision of a duly licensed instructor. The attached PDF has three sections: (1) the top section is the actual language in the CCIA; (2) The middle section is the opening paragraph to Section 265.20 which lists the exemptions to criminal possession of a weapon; (3) the bottom portion is paragraph 3-a which was added to Section 3 of PL 265.20. I have also attached the full CCIA.

PeconicPaladin is absolutely correct, the law allows live-fire training for an unlicensed individual as long as the person is supervised by a duly authorized instructor such as NRA Instructors or Officers of the Armed Forces (active and retired).

 

[Gary_Hungerford]

As Peconic Paladin and RSL point out, if the rumor is true, then the person arrested is going to be a very wealthy person, as a result of the civil lawsuit.
Gary