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Folks:
SCPD has scheduled a meeting, with all Suffolk County-based FFLs, for Thursday, September 15, at 4pm. The purpose of the meeting is for SCPD to explain, as they understand it, what's needed to be changed and what's needed to be added, to dealer's procedures, under the still-valid CCIA. Right now, they don't have everything worked out and are working on getting it to make as much sense as possible.
More will follow, as I get the details.
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I’ve been doing some “detective” work, behind the scenes and with “unofficial” sources. From what I’m hearing, the SCPD, the NCPD and the SC Sheriff’s Department are getting contradictory instructions, about what to say and do, almost daily, about the way the CCIA is going to operate, provided it isn’t stopped, dead, in its tracks, by an injunction.

Right now, much of the working staff (who, for the most part, are pro-2A) are saying that they’re feeling like punching bags, with everyone screaming, from different directions. Many people are correctly seeking answers, to legitimate questions, for which the licensing agencies don’t have consistent answers and others are issuing orders, to the licensing agencies, then changing, a few hours later or the next day.

For the moment, I have only one suggestion: sit back and relax.

There’s nothing any of us can do, unless and until one of two things happen: 1) the court issues an injunction (via NYSRPA v Bruen #2), freezing the enforcement of the CCIA (which is very, very likely) or 2) the CCIA is allowed to continue, as the “law” of the state (very, very unlikely).

If 1), above, happens, then we’re back to an unfettered Bruen decision, as our operating standard, unless the governor/state legislature engage in another hissy fit session. If 2), above, happens, then the arrests will start and the law suits, for intentional violation of Constitutional rights, will start to fly.

I expect we’ll know at least a little more, after the 9/15 dealers’ meeting, at SCPD.
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I’ve been doing some “detective” work, behind the scenes and with “unofficial” sources. From what I’m hearing, the SCPD, the NCPD and the SC Sheriff’s Department are getting contradictory instructions, about what to say and do, almost daily, about the way the CCIA is going to operate, provided it isn’t stopped, dead, in its tracks, by an injunction.

Right now, much of the working staff (who, for the most part, are pro-2A) are saying that they’re feeling like punching bags, with everyone screaming, from different directions. Many people are correctly seeking answers, to legitimate questions, for which the licensing agencies don’t have consistent answers and others are issuing orders, to the licensing agencies, then changing, a few hours later or the next day.

For the moment, I have only one suggestion: sit back and relax.

There’s nothing any of us can do, unless and until one of two things happen: 1) the court issues an injunction (via NYSRPA v Bruen #2), freezing the enforcement of the CCIA (which is very, very likely) or 2) the CCIA is allowed to continue, as the “law” of the state (very, very unlikely).

If 1), above, happens, then we’re back to an unfettered Bruen decision, as our operating standard, unless the governor/state legislature engage in another hissy fit session. If 2), above, happens, then the arrests will start and the law suits, for intentional violation of Constitutional rights, will start to fly.

I expect we’ll know at least a little more, after the 9/15 dealers’ meeting, at SCPD.
Gary
Gary, these FFL workshops have been done throughout New York by NYSP to familiarize FFL dealers over the years.
The Governor is adamant about the Police enforcing the law.
Hard working business owners are now unarmed because of their business being a sensitive location.
 

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Gary, these FFL workshops have been done throughout New York by NYSP to familiarize FFL dealers over the years.
The Governor is adamant about the Police enforcing the law.
Hard working business owners are now unarmed because of their business being a sensitive location.
I've never heard of any FFL workshops on the island, before this one.
Unfortunately, I know and agree, about the business owners, as well as the governor's attitude.
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Spoke to one of my ffl’s today, he said in Suffolk a semi auto rifle is going to be the same procedure for buying a handgun.
IF You already have a pistol license, you amend it to add a semiautomatic rifle just like adding a pistol. I have already done this.
If you do NOT have a pistol license. "You can't". Anyone, go to your dealer, make a purchase, take your receipt and pictures and go to yaphank.... you'll be refused , and you'll have grounds to sue.
 
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Folks:
SCPD has scheduled a meeting, with all Suffolk County-based FFLs, for Thursday, September 15, at 4pm. The purpose of the meeting is for SCPD to explain, as they understand it, what's needed to be changed and what's needed to be added, to dealer's procedures, under the still-valid CCIA. Right now, they don't have everything worked out and are working on getting it to make as much sense as possible.
More will follow, as I get the details.
Gary
Little late to ask, but are you attending this meeting? Or, do you have a contact who is attending?
I'm really interested in hearing what is said at this meeting.
 

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Little late to ask, but are you attending this meeting? Or, do you have a contact who is attending?
I'm really interested in hearing what is said at this meeting.
I have a contact, who attended but have not yet heard anything. I was going to attend but have been down, with a miserable head cold and didn't want to infect the people involved.
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The meeting last night was discussed on the other LI forum by a very well respected ffl who also sells hardware store merchandise lol, all western Suffolk pistol licenses are automatically a rifle license, no amendment needed or will be given, all semi auto rifles will be registered and will be the exact same process it would be for buying a handgun. A third party company will be Handling the social media for cc upgrade. If you lie and say you don’t have any and they find out you do you lose your license for 5 years, if you fake a training certificate for the 16 hour u will be “locked up” as he put it.
 

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Folks:
I’ve spoken with one of my contacts, who was there, last night. It seems that the main points of discussion were surrounding the semi-auto rifle license, the renewal status of handgun licenses and the required classroom/range course, for “unrestricted” handgun licenses.
Here’s what I came away with, from that discussion and these rules are applicable ONLY to the 5 Western towns of Suffolk. The Suffolk Sheriff’s Dept. and the NCPD will have their own guidelines, with no bearing on what SCPD is doing:
1) on or after 9/4/22: no one, under the age of 21, will be able to purchase a semi-auto rifle and no one, age 21 or over, will be able to do so, without either a valid NYS handgun license or a semi-auto rifle license. If you have a handgun license, the semi-auto rifle will be purchasable in the same way as you add a handgun to that license. If you do not have a handgun licenses, then you must apply for, then receive, a semi-auto rifle license, before you can purchase or touch any semi-auto rifle. There is NO EXCEPTION, for active duty law enforcement, who, although they can legally purchase a NY-defined “assault weapon” or a handgun, on the badge, can no longer purchase a semi-auto, non-“assault weapon” rifle, on the badge or without a separate NYS semi-auto rifle license.

2) as of 9/4/22, no one, without a valid, NYS handgun license or a valid NYS semi-auto rifle license, may even touch a semi-auto rifle. Newly acquired, semi-auto rifles will be listed, on the handgun license or semi-auto license, by make, model, caliber and serial number.

3) for the purposes of obtaining an “unrestricted” handgun license, Suffolk PD will recognize training certificates, issued by any NRA instructor, who is currently certified, as a handgun instructor, provided the certificate includes the name of the student, plus the instructor’s name, NRA instructor’s number, place and date of training, as well as a unique serial number on the certificate. My suggestion would be to also add the student’s NYS handgun license number. NRA certified handgun instructors are able to certify themselves, by issuing a certificate of training, to him/herself.

4) all handgun licenses, issued or renewed, within the 5 Western towns of Suffolk County, on or after 9/1/22, which do not contain the “business” endorsement, will be renewed, for a period of THREE (3) years. All handgun licenses, issued or renewed, on or after 9/1/22, which contain the “business” endorsement, will be renewed, for a period of FIVE (5) years.

5) all of the above is subject to change, depending on the decisions rendered by the various courts and instructions from the state government.

Nothing was provided, in writing and all acknowledged that, for the moment, these rules are not expected to be firm or for the long term.

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"2) as of 9/4/22, no one, without a valid, NYS handgun license or a valid NYS semi-auto rifle license, may even touch a semi-auto rifle."
People who currently own semi auto rifles, can not touch them until they get a license in maybe 2yrs? Am I reading that correctly. Or are we talking just new purchase?
 

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"2) as of 9/4/22, no one, without a valid, NYS handgun license or a valid NYS semi-auto rifle license, may even touch a semi-auto rifle."
People who currently own semi auto rifles, can not touch them until they get a license in maybe 2yrs? Am I reading that correctly. Or are we talking just new purchase?
I thought that only semi-auto rifles purchased after Sept. 4, 2022 were affected by this new legislation.
 

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Folks:
I’ve spoken with one of my contacts, who was there, last night. It seems that the main points of discussion were surrounding the semi-auto rifle license, the renewal status of handgun licenses and the required classroom/range course, for “unrestricted” handgun licenses.
Here’s what I came away with, from that discussion and these rules are applicable ONLY to the 5 Western towns of Suffolk. The Suffolk Sheriff’s Dept. and the NCPD will have their own guidelines, with no bearing on what SCPD is doing:
1) on or after 9/4/22: no one, under the age of 21, will be able to purchase a semi-auto rifle and no one, age 21 or over, will be able to do so, without either a valid NYS handgun license or a semi-auto rifle license. If you have a handgun license, the semi-auto rifle will be purchasable in the same way as you add a handgun to that license. If you do not have a handgun licenses, then you must apply for, then receive, a semi-auto rifle license, before you can purchase or touch any semi-auto rifle. There is NO EXCEPTION, for active duty law enforcement, who, although they can legally purchase a NY-defined “assault weapon” or a handgun, on the badge, can no longer purchase a semi-auto, non-“assault weapon” rifle, on the badge or without a separate NYS semi-auto rifle license.

2) as of 9/4/22, no one, without a valid, NYS handgun license or a valid NYS semi-auto rifle license, may even touch a semi-auto rifle. Newly acquired, semi-auto rifles will be listed, on the handgun license or semi-auto license, by make, model, caliber and serial number.

3) for the purposes of obtaining an “unrestricted” handgun license, Suffolk PD will recognize training certificates, issued by any NRA instructor, who is currently certified, as a handgun instructor, provided the certificate includes the name of the student, plus the instructor’s name, NRA instructor’s number, place and date of training, as well as a unique serial number on the certificate. My suggestion would be to also add the student’s NYS handgun license number. NRA certified handgun instructors are able to certify themselves, by issuing a certificate of training, to him/herself.

4) all handgun licenses, issued or renewed, within the 5 Western towns of Suffolk County, on or after 9/1/22, which do not contain the “business” endorsement, will be renewed, for a period of THREE (3) years. All handgun licenses, issued or renewed, on or after 9/1/22, which contain the “business” endorsement, will be renewed, for a period of FIVE (5) years.

5) all of the above is subject to change, depending on the decisions rendered by the various courts and instructions from the state government.

Nothing was provided, in writing and all acknowledged that, for the moment, these rules are not expected to be firm or for the long term.

Gary
Gary, I thought only semi-auto rifles purchased after Sept. 4th were affected. You need a license for all semi-autos?

And what is the deal with the "Business" endorsed licenses? It sounds like they are going to issue them as a para. (b) license (5yr renewal), but then they are only Premise Business licenses-but not subject to the new CCIA restrictions and training, but also no longer a 'carry' license. Is this correct?
 

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"2) as of 9/4/22, no one, without a valid, NYS handgun license or a valid NYS semi-auto rifle license, may even touch a semi-auto rifle."
People who currently own semi auto rifles, can not touch them until they get a license in maybe 2yrs? Am I reading that correctly. Or are we talking just new purchase?
No. What the statute does is prevent anyone from POSSESSING one, which they don't already own, without the license.Sorry, if I confused you.
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Gary, I thought only semi-auto rifles purchased after Sept. 4th were affected. You need a license for all semi-autos?

And what is the deal with the "Business" endorsed licenses? It sounds like they are going to issue them as a para. (b) license (5yr renewal), but then they are only Premise Business licenses-but not subject to the new CCIA restrictions and training, but also no longer a 'carry' license. Is this correct?
What was said was that "if the licensee has a business endorsement, the license will be renewed, for 5 years, not 3. Non business handgun licenses will be renewed for 3 years." Be it a Business Carry or a Business Premises, the 5 years rule will apply, is what was said.
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Yea, I have no idea. How would anyone know if a rifle is purchased on or before that date. I shoot with my kids all the time. My one daughter is only 19. My son just turned 21. I guess he needs to apply and wait 2yrs. I will be paying for 4 of us to go through training every 3 yrs.
 
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