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Mr. ¼ MOA
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As many of you may remember, I sold my Ruger 10/22 Carbine .22LR
with a lot of goodies not too long ago. My reason for selling it was
because it wasn't getting a lot of action on the range and I felt it was
better in the hands of a new shooter that wants to learn. One lucky
LIF'er picked it up for their son and it was exactly what I wished for.

SOLD!


NOW... what everyone didn't know was that I had another Ruger 10/22.
Not for sale by the way, this one is for keeps. :) My Ruger 10/22 VLE
.22LR BlackHawk offered by TALO Exclusives. Limited to 800 rifles.

Hammer Forged 16.125" Bull Barrel with Target Crown. The VLE has a
target trigger group that is superior to the standard factory triggers on
10/22's, a thick Birch stock and a Shooter's Ridge Bipod was included.

Ruger 10/22 VLE Blackhawk TALO Exclusive - Only 800 made.

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The Shooter's Ridge Bipod that was included sweetened the TALO deal
saving me about $75 for a Harris. It's not a Harris, but was built better
than I expected and more than capable for the task at hand.

The 16.125" Hammer Forged Satin Finished Bull Barrel (.920" Diameter)
is the same target barrel design used in the Ruger 10/22 Target 20"
Stainless Bull Barrel, but the VLE is shorter and more tactical.

A .22LR's velocity is maximized at 12"-14" so the 16.125" is perfect
for supporting this build up and with more stiffness and less weight.

The Hammer Forging process creates an attractive spiral pattern on the
barrel's exterior.

Hammer Forged 16.25" Satin Finish Bull Barrel .920" Diameter
Sturdy Shooter's Ridge 6"-9" Bipod


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Ruger's Thick Birchwood BlackHawk® Stock with Grip Checkering

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Shooter's View *(Notice anything out of the ordinary?)

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Lightweight & Clear BSA Platinum 8-32x44mm Optics
*(Notice anything out of the ordinary?)

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Crisp Target Trigger 3.5lbs (Standard 10/22 Triggers are 6lbs.)

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BearTooth Neoprene Comb (Cheek) Riser (Best I.M.O.)

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Hammer Forged Target Heavy Bull Barrel

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I chose a lightweight yet quality optic for this Ruger because I planned
on shooting it 100yrds plus. The accuracy on this rifle is much more
than most people would expect. The fun factor has been raised to a
new level - tack driver plinking!

BSA Platinum 8-32x44mm Included A Sunshade

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Three Ruger Magazines Attached By TriMag ("Legal 30 Round Magazine")

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Range Report - CCI Mini Mag vs. Winchester SuperX 40 Grain : 100 yards

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The CCI Mini Mags performed exceptionally well with this Ruger VLE.
Consistent and Sub MOA groups out to 100yds on 3" round targets!

CCI Mini Mags 40Gr - 1235fps - Copper Plated Round Nose : 100yrds

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CCI Mini Mags 40Gr - 1235fps - Copper Plated Round Nose : 100yrds

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The Winchester SuperX performed better than I expected as well at
1 MOA at 100yrds!

As for this Range Report, the CCI Mini Mags performed virtually twice
as better
than the faster Winchester for this Ruger VLE. Speed isn't
always everything. ;)

Winchester SuperX 40Gr - 1300fps - Copper Plated Round Nose : 100yrds

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Winchester SuperX 40Gr - 1300fps - Copper Plated Round Nose : 100yrds

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So, you see... I like small guns too. :) Did you think I would leave
out having ownership of what I consider Americana?

And I didn't forget: *(Notice anything out of the ordinary?)
So what was it?

Peace,
GH-07
 

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Bangkok rules. Now who has a can?
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Beautiful!   8)
 

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Nice. I just purchased this today from SSS. I don't have it home yet but she's mine. Hoping to make it out to the Appleseed in a couple of weeks if I can make it. :)

The scope I'll have on it is a Nikon 3x9. I have it from a rifle I sold a while back.

It looks exactly like this one minus the scope.

 

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Good morning Ghost Hunter. That is a beauty. Best gun shop workbench on the 'net. I like the Ruger too. I am fairly new at this stuff and I have some questions.....

I have a new Ruger 10 22 Target model with a Weaver 40/44 'scope and for fun, I can put a red dot on. I did some basic mod's cause I have fat fingers. I put on a PC auto bolt release, a PC extended mag release, and a PC extended bolt handle. I added Uncle Mike sling keepers and a 1" Butler Creek military sling. That made me happy, so far.
Now for my questions...
My Ruger manual says not to use "stinger" ammo with the Target model. Am I missing something here? I have heard that the CCI mini mags are what these Rugers like. Then I hear that the CCI ammo is only for standard barrel carbines. Is the CCI mini mag that you are using the same thing that Ruger calls a "stinger"?

Next, what is your opinion on cutting the 20" target barrel down, tapering the muzzle end and putting in a nice target crown? You other guys can chime in here, I do not want to re-invent the wheel, if someone already knows what I need to do. Thanks.
 

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Mr. ¼ MOA
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
vmtcmt said:
Some kind of funky left hand model scope, or is it just rotated 90 degrees CCW?
Mad Russian said:
Normal scope, rotated, but why?
Correct! The Scope is rotated counter clockwise.

My reason?

For this rifle, to maximize it's accuracy I've installed
the scope as low as I can go. Doing so brings my
windage adjustment in range of the ejecting shells.

I know this because I have had this instance twice in
the past and I have 2 scopes that have worn knobs.

Both instances with slightly different heights & forward
distances but still with the same problem because the
ejecting shells do not always fly the same way.

Nothing major but can be an annoyance when ejecting
shells deflect into ways you don't want, especially on
a concrete bench then back into your eyeball!

Being that it's only a .22LR, I won't be using the optics
maximum adjustments in either direction so that it's
functionality will work the same... in fact works exactly
the same - the targets prove it.

So call me unconventional all you want. I rather look
at it as common sense for adaptation... ;)

Peace,
GH-07
 

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Mr. ¼ MOA
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DIESEL said:
Good morning Ghost Hunter. That is a beauty. Best gun shop workbench on the 'net.
Thanks.

DIESEL said:
My Ruger manual says not to use "stinger" ammo with the Target model. Am I missing something here? I have heard that the CCI mini mags are what these Rugers like. ThenI hear that the CCI ammo is only for standard barrel carbines. Is the CCI mini mag that you are using the same thing that Ruger calls a "stinger"?
The .22 Stingers were made for more velocity by giving it a slightly
longer cartridge case but also having to compensate with a shorter
lighter 32gr bullet where standard weight is from 36gr to 40gr.

Also, Stingers will have a slightly slower burning powder charge to
help it develop more initial pressure to help achieve maximum
velocity as well.

The problem here is that cartridges can stick (or will likely do so
once in a while) in the chamber and not eject properly. The Target
version barrels will have slightly tighter tolerances to help achieve
better accuracy. So tighter space and longer cartridge is the
dilemma.

Another issue is that the lighter bullet, 32gr, may have faster
velocity at the muzzle... but will not retain it's energy very long
and it will die off substantially giving way to wind and distances.
This of course defeats the purpose of getting a more accurate
barrel in the first place.

Also, small gamers should not use the lighter bullet because it
might not have enough velocity for a clean kill.

CCI Mini Mags are definitely the way to go for the heavy target
barrels - they are not the same as the CCI Stingers. I will be
testing out some Eley ammo in the near future. I hear good
things about this ammo too.

DIESEL said:
Next, what is your opinion on cutting the 20" target barrel down, tapering the muzzle end and putting in a nice target crown? You other guys can chime in here, I do not want to re-invent the wheel, if someone already knows what I need to do. Thanks.
For the price in cutting down your barrel and re-crowning the
muzzle... you're better off simply getting a shorter barrel of
your liking. There are many manufacturers of fine accurate
bull barrels. My opinion is that the Ruger Target barrels are
longer then needed, yes, but I'm sure Ruger has their reason
behind making them. My guess would be is that the barrel
is Stainless Steel and giving it the extra length can actually
improve a well sustained twist. Stainless is SO much better
as a metal over Carbon Steel for accuracy.

In fact, I'm even thinking of picking up a Magnum Research
Carbon Fiber Barrel for competition purposes because it still
retains great accuracy but at a weight so light that your rifle
will feel like air.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/422271

Hopes this helps.

Peace,
GH-07
 

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Very nice. Ya just gotta love those 10/22s.
 

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[quoteHopes this helps.

Peace,
GH-07
][/quote]

Thanks Ghost Hunter for pointing me in the right direction.. Your answer was perfect.
I need to get back to my original plan. It seems that the more I learn, the less I know.
 

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glocklife said:
Nice. I just purchased this today from SSS. I don't have it home yet but she's mine. Hoping to make it out to the Appleseed in a couple of weeks if I can make it. :)

The scope I'll have on it is a Nikon 3x9. I have it from a rifle I sold a while back.

It looks exactly like this one minus the scope.

Very nice... that's probably the same one from SSS that
I suggested in another thread with the title:

Suggestions for a .22
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/m-1338864756.54761/#num11

Technically they are identical rifles. The only differences
are the stocks and the barrel crowning methods. Same
target trigger, same target heavy bull barrels.

My Ruger VLE has a square step crown and your Ruger
Tactical has the 11 degree crown taper. Neither one
is better than the other and accuracy is not affected.
Just different methods into bringing the bore back to
prevent any damage.

The 3-9x scope is minimal for 50yrds, IMO. Since the
rifle is a tack driver with the perfect barrel length, I
have plans on taking it out to 200+ yards, should be
as much fun as shooting a .308 out to 600yrds. If
you ever want to shoot 100yrds with a .22LR, get at
least a 6-24x40mm scope. IMO.

I'd suggest putting a strong, lightweight 6-24X40mm
BSA Contender on it. It's one of my favorite scopes
for ARs. Only 14" at 17oz for 24X is not an easy feat
to accomplish... but this solid scope achieves it. I love
the way the knobs lock and adjust just by moving them
inward or outward. Best of all it won't break the bank.



http://www.bsaoptics.com/scope.aspx?productID=338

Peace,
GH-07
 

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BKLYN_C said:
32 zoom scope on 10/22 ?
Sorry I missed this question earlier...

My answer would be - why not? I do find it perplexing as
to why many people feel that it's more correct to install
lower powered scopes when higher powered scopes offer
the same thing and more. If you "think" you want a 3-9x,
why not have a 6-24x that's the same in size, quality and
price...? You can still have your 3-9x but eat a 24x at the
same time.

Today, you are able to find smaller, compact scopes that
still offer clear optics, decent construction and much longer
range capacity like 24x, 32x and even 40x.

Yes, normally larger range scopes tend to be longer, larger
tubes, heavier and more pricey. But, if you look around,
you'll discover some great finds in today's newer designs
without breaking the bank.

Of course you're not going to see me put on a Nightforce
or Schmidt & Bender on a 10/22 ... when a BSA Platinum or
Contender will do a great job for less than $200.

BUT... even though you can have more for the same price,
this was NOT the main reason why I placed a 8-32x on my
Ruger VLE. Yes of course at 100yrds my 3" round targets
are super clear and I can read the writing a football field
away... my reason is because with higher magnification,
my scope's cross hairs are now relatively thin against my
targets - not 1 or 2 MOA thickness that you'll experience
in lower magnifications.

Do you get it so far?

My cross hair's thickness at 32x is thinner offering me a
more precise aim on my targets than if it was at 12x. At
12x, the thickness of the cross hairs on a target 100yrds
away is generally equivalent to the thickness of a bullet
hole, especially a .22LR.

While this is perfectly fine for most, I like to be able to
see the swaying movement of my cross hair from one edge
of the bullet hole to the other edge when my heart beats.

And in the split moment when my blood stops moving
between the beats, the energy from my trigger finger will
transpire the poundage needed to send the next pill
downrange.

I could've went with a 24x, but because I'm planning to
shoot a small .22LR at considerable distances, the 32x
will give me the extra edge for 200+ yards.

Fanatical? Definitely.

Peace,
GH-07
 
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