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I'm finishing up the price specs for my long range AR build. All I have left is the scope. The goal of the rifle is tight groups at 200 yards. I'm not entering in any competitions..I just want a fun long range, more accurate than the norm shooter.

My budget is $200-$300.

On many boards I keep coming across the same model: Mueller 4-16x50mm Tactical

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=692084

What do you guys think? And of course if you know of any better options voice your opinion. :)
 

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I have had great luck with this http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=341927 scope on my custom built savage in .243. Very clear glass and just plain awesome for the money. Came with a sunshade as well. I was considering a Mueller but I just didn't like the looks of it. I have heard many good things about their quality though so it is probably a good buy. The super sniper scopes are supposed to be pretty good for around 300 as well http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-Scopes-C1719.aspx. I originally ordered one of their scopes but it was backordered. They couldn't give me an estimated ship date and their general lack of communication made me cancel my order and go with the millet.
 

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Not familar with the Mueller.
I'm using a SWFA Supersniper on mine and I like it, for the money. It's essentiallt a Tasco, built for SWFA.
Eye relief might be an issue, so measure and make sure you can fall within the paramaters.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-Rifle-Scopes-C187.aspx
I also like that the objective lens is 42mm and I can get it closer to the bore than the 50mm.
It sits on a LaRue mount which I can not recommend enough.
Good luck with the build.
 

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If I did go with the Meuller..what type of a mount do you recommend? I would imagine it would have to be a higher mount to clear the 50mm lens?
 

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I'm going to assume you're building a flat top with a rail.
I bet you could get the specs on the scope on line. 30mm tube or 1" tube.
It's going to take a bit of math, but measure from the top of the rail, and depending on what mount/rings you use, you should be able to get away with a med or high mount.
Leuopld has a pretty good ring selector in their catalog, referencing their scopes of course. But a 30mm tube is a 30 mm tube and a 50mm OB lens, is a 50MM, and you should be able to to get some info from that.
SWFA sells Mueller - you might want to see if there is a ring height selector on their page.
Or Larue should be able to help you if you are going to use one of their mounts. http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Categories.bok?category=Optic+Mounts
They're pretty decent to deal with in my experience.
If you are set on the Mueller, I'd be interested in hearing your review on it.
if you want to try out the SS, I'd be happy to let you have a go with it at the range.
 

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*UPDATE*

well,...after thinking long and hard...i pulled the trigger (lots of pun intended).

Here's what the kit will include -platform is based off J&T Distributings 24" Match AR Kit, built on a LRB lower
-Fluted 1/8 barrel
-YHM Free Floating handguard
-tach latch gen 1
-LM bipod
-Ergo grip w/target base
-Magpul PRS Gen II stock
-Rock River Arms RRA NM Trigger Lower parts Kit

The scope is going to most likely be a Mueller 4-16x 50mm Tactical or a Mueller Eraticator 8.5-25x 50mm....either with a 3" sun-shade.

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STAY AWAY FROM THE 3 INCH SUNSHADE AND GO WITH A FLIP UP COVER AND FLASH HIDER . IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING DIRECTLY INTO THE SUN YOU WILL NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. if you are no sunshade will stop anything. you have the sunshade so as not to give your positione away with scope flash
 

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I feel that sunshades are retro. In the old days, you needed them for shooting outdoors. No question about it. But multicoating has gotten so good that $40 Bushnells blow away top of the line scopes from 25 years ago in terms of reduced glare.
 

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wreckhog said:
Is this a range gun, or will it be used for hunting? Any piece of crap is fine for the range IMHO.
Range gun.
 

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I assume for distance target shooting one would want a cross hair, not a dot?
 

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Verti - Everyone is going to have an opinion on reticles.
I'm not a fan of Mil Dot, but I know plent of people who swear by them. I'm not a fan probably because I don't have the skills to use it correctly and I learned to shoot using old school crosshairs and just adjusted for distances.
Here's a link or that you might find useful.
http://www.snipercentral.com/scopereviews.htm
 

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Verti - Everyone is going to have an opinion on reticles.
I'm not a fan of Mil Dot, but I know plent of people who swear by them. I'm not a fan probably because I don't have the skills to use it correctly and I learned to shoot using old school crosshairs and just adjusted for distances.
Here's a link or that you might find useful.
http://www.snipercentral.com/scopereviews.htm
Understood. My biggest concern is if the dot covers too much of the target under max zoom. At full power the dot would cover 1" @200 yards for the model i'm looking at.
 

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I just picked up a Vortex 4-12 scope and couldnt be happier.  They have a pretty big line in all different price ranges.  From the research I have done their customer services is great.
 

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Vertiviper said:
Understood. My biggest concern is if the dot covers too much of the target under max zoom. At full power the dot would cover 1" @200 yards for the model i'm looking at.
Mil Dot reticules do not have a dot at the center. It is a very fine cross hair. It's not a bad Idea to learn how to use the mil-dot system. It's pretty easy and especially useful if the elevation adjustment is in mil's as well. Take a good look at that Bushnell I posted earlier. It is the same model that Barret included in the M82 Law Enforcement package for some time.
 

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Vertiviper said:
I assume for distance target shooting one would want a cross hair, not a dot?
For paper, fine cross hairs. For people at varying ranges, Mil Dot. For whitetail in the woods, a post. Most of the time, duplex crosshairs are a good compromise.

Just to be weird, and to hit black targets, I like a tiny illuminated dot.
 
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