Make the jump for a photo of the victim, who was chosen at random.Terrified woman 'forced to watch as human trafficking gang tortured, dismembered and beheaded teenage girl in front of her'
A teenager was tortured and cut up in front of another woman so she would be frightened into cooperating with a human trafficking ring, police said.
Jimmy Lee Massey, 33, was arrested over the first-degree murder of Carina Saunders, 19, whose dismembered body was found stuffed in a duffel bag. The young woman had been beheaded and dumped on October 13 behind a grocery store.
A 20-year-old woman came forward as a witness to say she had been kidnapped by Massey and forced to watch Miss Saunders painful death in Bethany, Oklahoma. Her identity has not been released because of concerns for her safety.
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Yeah. This story, and many others like it, sink to the bottom of the "news" world while lesser crimes that make second amendment rights look bad rise to the top headlines.BLAMMO said:I just came across this today. A Google search yields surprisingly little coverage of such an appalling crime. Mostly, the coverage is from international news services, and is only regurgitated by domestic news organizations, with none of them being major syndicates. Do you suppose the mainstream media would rather not remind us of the evil in our society that can victimize any one of us at any time? That maybe people might become more inclined to obtain the means to defend themselves from random victimization?
Well, yes, she was clearly caught up with the wrong crowd and the article said that. Surely, her lifestyle put her in the situation, but I'm not sure she directly crossed someone to have these thugs use her. I even know some young impressionable girls on LI who think it's cool to hang out with gang members or hit certain latin dance clubs associated with that lifestyle , and they're just incredibly stupid and don't see the potential danger in it.Captain Will said:Random? Hmmm.. you mean "Kween Spade", an associate of Massey's?
I have a feeling when the rest of the facts come out, it will not be "random" at all- my guess is she ripped off the drug dealers for drugs or money or plotted something against them, perha[ps ratting them out to the cops or selling them out to another gang.
And the other woman- you are going to kidnap someone in order to murder another party in front of them for what? To inpress them? There are obviously some motivations here.
One psychotic lone killer sociopath, this swtory is possible (not likely, but possible).
Two or more members of a gang killking somebody, it ain't "random" unless they were innocent bystanders caught in the line of fire.
My guess is Kween Spade collatweralized a sum of drugs or money with her body and came up short whan it was time to pay the piper.
Everything is "random" until you figure it out, from rain to the movement of the stars.
Occasionally something really IS random, like the victim of a gang initiation ritual who is in the wrong place at the wrong time. But a girl that knew the kiler, was involved with drugs, and was murdered by his drug gang? Not so random I think- that smells like more than coincidental LACK of "randomness".
Pretty rough way to go though. She's still somebody's daughter, that's gotta be hard on the family.
I don't see any "rehabilittion" for the likes of Massey or his amigo.
So, I guess after considering what this poor girl must have gone through during the last hours of her young life, you figure she musta had it coming.Captain Will said:Random? Hmmm.. you mean "Kween Spade", an associate of Massey's. ? ...
I "jumped to the conclusion" because the article actually says:Captain Will said:...
Speaking of jumping to premature conclusions, isn't it a bit early to call it "Random" when she knew her killer and you don't even know the most basic things about her life like where she lives or her occupation?
Without knowing that, how can you rule out a motive and jump to "random"?
The article says what the police believe their motives were. You have your own theories based on nothing I see in the article.Chief Cole said there was no evidence that Miss Saunders was involved in criminal activity.
He said: 'Our information right now leads us to believe she was a random choice, as sad as that is.
'She had relationships within these loosely associated people, and I think that she was a victim of opportunity.'
Captain Will said:...
Guys in criminal organizations kill people because they are a threat to them or the organization i.e. rival gang members, witnesses, cops, etc.
Killing somebody in front of a third party just to show you can kill somebody is kinda pointless- to me, it would make a LOT more sense if some other facts come to light., Let's just say for example that when they find out where she was living, it's with some hustler that screwed Massey over.
NOW you have MOTIVE, and also it becomes anything but "random"
Does that explain the point I am trying to make? They can't identify a motive yet, but that does not make it random. Of course if you are a reporter, rndom is a lot more exciting and sensational.
If it were pimply 19YO named Javier Gonzales, would you have the same reaction? And would you just assume it was random, given the lack of information? I am going to jump to a conclusion here and guess NO and NO.
NOBODY kills without a motive, even serial killers are motivated psychologically to kill. The motive presented here seems (to me) to be really unlikely- I think something else might come up. The cops might even be hushing up the real motivew for anothger reason, like she got caught up in an oingoing investigation using ondercovers- those sorts of things do happen. Killing just for giggles, not so often.
And it's getting worse every day.ontargetguy said:The world is f#$%ed up
LlGuy631 said:I want to personally rip the innards out of the animals who did this (while they are alive of course).
Destro said:Horrific. Truly appalling. Poor girl apparently ran with the wrong crowd. I have a friend in Oklahoma and she says there's a lot of latin gangs from south of the border there and turning out girls is a big thing. Also surprised Fox news or someone didn't pick up this story.
Poor girl. RIP.
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