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T.Webb said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/04/police-dog-stabbed-killed-washington-state/?test=latestnews

As far as I'm concerned, the perp shoud be charged with the murder of a Police officer.
I can see how you can consider him an officer but i also see the animal as a tool to help officers. Either way im pretty sure that this guy got the beating of his life.
 

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Well, at least it wasn't the cops shooting the dog this time.   :p
 

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I agree with T Webb.
This dirtbag stole a car.eluded police, rammed a police car,and stabbed a K9 officer to death and if convicted he "might" get the max of 5 years?
Does anyone think he would have hesitated to stab a human officer? He should be ground up for dog food, but I feed my dog better than that.

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I can see how you can consider him an officer but i also see the animal as a tool to help officers. Either way im pretty sure that this guy got the beating of his life.
 

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I always thought that assaulting/killing a police dog was the same as assaulting or killing a cop. That's how the military does it... Some drunk driver once kicked a K-9 while he was getting dragged from his car (the guy was completely belligerent apparently) on Hickam... Boom, DUI + Assaulting an NCO. Justice served IMO.
 

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If I had a dog like that latched onto me and I had a knife, I woulda stabbed it too. That's a disadvantage a police dog has, the suspect does not know the dog isn't going to eviscerate him and not enough information is given in the article to even indicate that the suspect realized that the dog was a police dog. But no, I doubt he would have hesitated killing a human cop either- if the human cop had bitten him and was dragging him to the ground. But human cops don't do that. A lot of people are (with good reason) afraid of dogs and are going to react defensively out of instinct. For that reason, I don't think you can prosecute as if they killed a human, I think that would be unjust. And remember at the time of apprehension they are only suspects- if a large dog suddenly appeared out of nowhere and jumped up and chowed your elbow and tried to drag you out of your parked car, are you going to stop and think "Oh, that must be a police dog?". Eff no you are not. Your brain is going to say GET IT OFF ME!!!!, and all bets are off.

Ditto with if a human cop walked up on you shooting. This is why cops are supposed to identify themselves as cops. And K9s should be marked IMO. the cops don't want them to have to wear vests or harnesses that a suspect could use to restrain the dog, but I say then if the dog gets killed, it's an unfortunate consequence, the suspect probably saw no other avenue to end the attack.

It's fine to be a dog lover but you can't expect anyone to sit there and get mauled by one just because the dog is owned by a cop or being used to enforce the law. Any dog that is trained to attack humans is put in a situation where it may get killed by a human attempting basic self defense. You have to either accept that basic fact or choose not to train dogs to attack people.
 

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If I had a dog like that latched onto me and I had a knife, I woulda stabbed it too. That's a disadvantage a police dog has, the suspect does not know the dog isn't going to eviscerate him and not enough information is given in the article to even indicate that the suspect realized that the dog was a police dog. But no, I doubt he would have hesitated killing a human cop either- if the human cop had bitten him and was dragging him to the ground. But human cops don't do that. A lot of people are (with good reason) afraid of dogs and are going to react defensively out of instinct. For that reason, I don't think you can prosecute as if they killed a human, I think that would be unjust. And remember at the time of apprehension they are only suspects- if a large dog suddenly appeared out of nowhere and jumped up and chowed your elbow and tried to drag you out of your parked car, are you going to stop and think "Oh, that must be a police dog?". Eff no you are not. Your brain is going to say GET IT OFF ME!!!!, and all bets are off.

Ditto with if a human cop walked up on you shooting. This is why cops are supposed to identify themselves as cops. And K9s should be marked IMO. the cops don't want them to have to wear vests or harnesses that a suspect could use to restrain the dog, but I say then if the dog gets killed, it's an unfortunate consequence, the suspect probably saw no other avenue to end the attack.

It's fine to be a dog lover but you can't expect anyone to sit there and get mauled by one just because the dog is owned by a cop or being used to enforce the law. Any dog that is trained to attack humans is put in a situation where it may get killed by a human attempting basic self defense. You have to either accept that basic fact or choose not to train dogs to attack people.
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The dog is still an animal, not a human officer. Yeah it's awful, yeah the guy should be punished appropriately, but you don't put someone in jail for life or on death row for killing a dog. What if cops started training rats to sniff out drugs? Mosquitoes?
 

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Sorry. Joe and Jane Human have a choice to decide if they want to put their lives on the line each day. The dog has no choice. And, let's look at the other side of the coin ... The dog and his human handler need to go through an extensive (EXPENSIVE) academy, paid for by the tax payer. And the human partner just lost HIS partner.

No sir, that dirtbag should be charged with the cold-blooded murder of a police officer.
 

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Captain Will said:
If I had a dog like that latched onto me and I had a knife, I woulda stabbed it too. That's a disadvantage a police dog has, the suspect does not know the dog isn't going to eviscerate him and not enough information is given in the article to even indicate that the suspect realized that the dog was a police dog. But no, I doubt he would have hesitated killing a human cop either- if the human cop had bitten him and was dragging him to the ground. But human cops don't do that. A lot of people are (with good reason) afraid of dogs and are going to react defensively out of instinct. For that reason, I don't think you can prosecute as if they killed a human, I think that would be unjust. And remember at the time of apprehension they are only suspects- if a large dog suddenly appeared out of nowhere and jumped up and chowed your elbow and tried to drag you out of your parked car, are you going to stop and think "Oh, that must be a police dog?". Eff no you are not. Your brain is going to say GET IT OFF ME!!!!, and all bets are off.

Ditto with if a human cop walked up on you shooting. This is why cops are supposed to identify themselves as cops. And K9s should be marked IMO. the cops don't want them to have to wear vests or harnesses that a suspect could use to restrain the dog, but I say then if the dog gets killed, it's an unfortunate consequence, the suspect probably saw no other avenue to end the attack.

It's fine to be a dog lover but you can't expect anyone to sit there and get mauled by one just because the dog is owned by a cop or being used to enforce the law. Any dog that is trained to attack humans is put in a situation where it may get killed by a human attempting basic self defense. You have to either accept that basic fact or choose not to train dogs to attack people.
So he's a victim now? Heres a way to avoid getting mauled by a police dog: Surrender (or dont rob banks).
 

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And I feel like I should clarify: Yes I would kill a police dog if it attacked me randomly... But, that is not the case here, and I doubt there would be charges if it were.
 

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The dog has more of a choice whether to bite the guy than the choice a cow has to become a hamburger, but what's the relevance?

We penalize humans the most for killing other humans, second most for killing higher order "cute" animals like dogs and cats and flipper, and endangered species, and not at all for killing lower order and/or "non-cute" animals. Plenty of Bambi killers on this list, and I murdered four lobster last night at my GF's house since she bought a special treat. Should I get tried for murder? Or have you simply anthromorphised this dog because it was trained to bite criminals?

Does it go both ways? Should the dogs used by the Nazis in concentration camps be tried for war crimes? Or, should the Jew who was getting chewed on by those dogs be tried for murder if he tried to defend himself? (In reality, we all know what would have happened to him, but are you going to argue that it's just?)

I like dogs, but I have a problem following your logic- particularly as it relates to a legal perspective. Dogs aren't humans, and they are "police officers" only symbolically, nobody ever sued a K9 for excessive force or pensioned his offspring when he was KIA. And I think few folks outside of Disney or the PETA headquarters would hold the view that a dog was human-equivalent. But of course, it could be argued that they are under the pretext that all animals are equal. I don't think that will sit well with the hunters though.
 

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Interesting hill you pick to defend. Kinda shameful actually.
Come on, what kind of shit statement is this? Why not just call him a dog killer? Will just injects some common sense into these crazy threads. For a forum where everyone is about their RIGHTS, everyone sure loves giving them away as long as they're not 2A related.
 

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Definitely less filling....
 

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Play nice.   This does not have to get personal.
 

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Akuma, he may not be a victim, but he's also not a perp, merely a suspect at the time he's dealing with the police dog - he has not been tried or convicted of any crime. Yet, they let a big dog chew on him. Yes, I am aware the dog is trained to just "hold" him- but have you seen what can happen when a big dog decides to hold onto a human? not pretty.

See, that's the thing with our legal system- even if you KNOW the guy did it, he's still just a suspect until his day in court. This is the necessary consequence of having a system where the police cannot just kill anybody, or a "police state", however they can still sic police dogs on anybody. In a perfect world there would be a painless. harmless way to immobilize a fleeing suspect that was overseen by some divinely just breing so it could not be abused, but until then police will use the dogs for some of the dirty work and some dogs will get killed as a result. If the suspect is now a "murderer", that really complicates things. Particularly if he's acquitted of the original crime. then he was just some poor dude that was savaged by a police dog, tried to get it off him, and got life in jail. I figure if we are going to adopt those kinds of standards eating a hamburger should at least get you five years, right? And mice in a glue trap would be an E felony, right? A lot of scientists would assert that rats are smarter than dogs, just sayin'.

Just think of all the taxes we would pay for no-kill shelters to take every homeless dog and support it to "human" standards. and what about cats? I like dogs too, but I don't consider them human. If I have to choose between my kid and the dog, my choice might be painful but it won't be difficult to decide.
 
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