Pharmacist gets life for shooting hold up guy
An Oklahoma pharmacist was sentenced to life with possiblity of parole for shooting a hold up man.
The problem was he shot one guy chased theother one away and went back got another gun and shot the first guy who was on the floor 5 more times.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43710936/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
The problem was he shot one guy chased theother one away and went back got another gun and shot the first guy who was on the floor 5 more times.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43710936/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
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Missed it.......I must be slipping!Lemming said:
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GOOD!SteveG said:An Oklahoma pharmacist was sentenced to life with possiblity of parole for shooting a hold up man.
The problem was he shot one guy chased theother one away and went back got another gun and shot the first guy who was on the floor 5 more times.
I understand the additional 5 shots were wrong, but life? I might be in the minority but I think that is way too harsh. Listen, none of us were there in that stressfull situation. This guy is just trying to earn a living. We also have a 16 year old who is willing to take part in a felony with a buddy using a gun. That young, willing to take part in such a violent act. I think the world is a much better place with that kid gone. Now this guys life is ruined.
He deserves what he got! He eliminated the threat, then came BACK and shot the guy on the floor FIVE more times?HKFANBOY said:I understand the additional 5 shots were wrong, but life? I might be in the minority but I think that is way too harsh. Listen, none of us were there in that stressfull situation. This guy is just trying to earn a living. We also have a 16 year old who is willing to take part in a felony with a buddy using a gun. That young, willing to take part in such a violent act. I think the world is a much better place with that kid gone. Now this guys life is ruined.
I'm all for defending self and property, but the guy overstepped the boundary between defense and murder!
There is a fine line between self defense and murder. That is why a lot of schools won't teach Mozambique technique for the fear of labeling the shooter as murderer. They would teach a controlled pair to the chest and then asses the situation. If it failed to stop the attack (it will definitely slow it down) then you do a shot to the head.
I agree, and seeing how the kid with the gun had left the store, there was no real threat to the guy. Had the kid tried to attack him, that would be a different story.Mad Russian said:He deserves what he got! He eliminated the threat, then came BACK and shot the guy on the floor FIVE more times?
I'm all for defending self and property, but the guy overstepped the boundary between defense and murder!
Even if the kid tried to get up and flee, he's unarmed.
If all fairness, I was not there under what I can only imagine to be a very stressfull moment, how knows what would be going through my head.
Yeah, I hate to agree, but I do.Mad Russian said:He deserves what he got! He eliminated the threat, then came BACK and shot the guy on the floor FIVE more times?
I'm all for defending self and property, but the guy overstepped the boundary between defense and murder!
It's like the dude just thought he had an excuse to kill someone so he used it.
i wonder what the average sentence handed down for 1st degree murder in OK is...
Ever see that movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas?------------------ Although wrong, Maybe the guy figured He has had enough.
Looks like He could have used a better A better defense Lawyer too.
Looks like He could have used a better A better defense Lawyer too.
I hate to agree too -- but I do.AkunaMatata said:Yeah, I hate to agree, but I do.
It's like the dude just thought he had an excuse to kill someone so he used it.
I keep reading about the increase in holdups at Pharmacies.
Too many people hooked on prescription pain medications.
Too many people hooked on prescription pain medications.
It's people like that that give more fuel to the Brady Bunch's fire. Seriously, gun haters will look and say, look at what gun owners do. They're not just defending themselves, they're cold blooded killers. Shooting to save your life is MUCH different than shooting for the sake of shooting someone.
Shoulda lost that surveilence tape........
a threat = an ACT by an agressor that endangers ones life and possibly the lives of others as well
in self defense you are supposed to shoot UNTIL the THREAT is eliminated, not so much the person's life functions. if the suspect dies while in the middle of a threatening act, then so be it. if the suspect does not die but is wounded to the point where he can no longer pose a threat (ie: knocked out unconscious) then there is no reason to kill.
two armed guys walk into a store to rob it. threat.
the 1st guy ran off. threat eliminated.
the other guy was wounded and incapacitated to the point where he could no longer pick up a weapon and use it, nor run off. threat eliminated.
clerk came back, grabbed another gun, and shot the guy 5 more times at point blank range. that is execution.
conclusion: death is a side effect, it can happen, but to intentionally inflict it in the form of a coup de grace is no longer self-defense.
anyway, the guy shouldve just closed the shop doors, locked himself in there, checked to make sure there isnt anyone else trying to rob him, called the cops later on, and if the other guy bled to death so be it.
in self defense you are supposed to shoot UNTIL the THREAT is eliminated, not so much the person's life functions. if the suspect dies while in the middle of a threatening act, then so be it. if the suspect does not die but is wounded to the point where he can no longer pose a threat (ie: knocked out unconscious) then there is no reason to kill.
two armed guys walk into a store to rob it. threat.
the 1st guy ran off. threat eliminated.
the other guy was wounded and incapacitated to the point where he could no longer pick up a weapon and use it, nor run off. threat eliminated.
clerk came back, grabbed another gun, and shot the guy 5 more times at point blank range. that is execution.
conclusion: death is a side effect, it can happen, but to intentionally inflict it in the form of a coup de grace is no longer self-defense.
anyway, the guy shouldve just closed the shop doors, locked himself in there, checked to make sure there isnt anyone else trying to rob him, called the cops later on, and if the other guy bled to death so be it.
The thief stole all is Viagra...all kidding aside....Fine line between self defense and murder..he crossed it
+1 ..... and then duct taped his mouth , stuffed him in the trunk of his car for about a month then dumped him in the woods. Hey it's worked before.STACHYBOTRYS said:Shoulda lost that surveilence tape........
They should have a "don't start poop" law. If you were not the initial aggressor you should have immunity from prosecution.
The pharmacist didn't start it the robber did. I could care less what happened to the robber. Maybe if more robbers were executed they might think twice before doing this.
It's not like the pharmacist went and shot a random person.
The pharmacist didn't start it the robber did. I could care less what happened to the robber. Maybe if more robbers were executed they might think twice before doing this.
It's not like the pharmacist went and shot a random person.
Touche. Such an event still contributes to the deterrent factor with regard to the prospective robber, it's just unfortunate the clerks have to martyr themselves with the law NOT on their side. :/ However, the evidence did exist, as do the laws, and he executed that degenerate drug addict.DanJ said:They should have a "don't start poop" law. If you were not the initial aggressor you should have immunity from prosecution.
The pharmacist didn't start it the robber did. I could care less what happened to the robber. Maybe if more robbers were executed they might think twice before doing this.
It's not like the pharmacist went and shot a random person.
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