[TJ Ironhorse]

Blow up in our face is not a subtle distinction. And again, the "as of now" is a short-sighted approach to the issue. This may have something to do with which generation you're in. I've been dealing with the nonsense in Suffolk County since I got my license in the 1980's. A few months to hammer out this latest wrinkle is nothing.

And I’ve been dealing with the same nonsense since I got my license in 1981. Im in my late 60’s
So forgive me if Im less than optimistic when it comes to this State.

 

[2edgesword]

New York is never going to make it easy for acquiring a pistol license. The Police Department Administration is anti gun and doesn’t like giving a pistol license too easily, unless you have connections or being a celebrity.
I don’t expect this case will remove all the restrictions. It will be appealed.

NYS is now primed to be suited into compliance with the Constitution. The Bruen decision has made it clear that the 2nd Amendment includes the right for every law abiding citizen to keep and bear arms in public for personal protection. The limits on that right are going to be few and far between. Those that had unrestricted licenses prior are going to be pushing for the same latitude to carry as before Bruen. If you could carry in the subway prior to Bruen there is no reason those folks and everyone else with an unrestricted license can't carry in the subway. Bruen gets rid of the celebrity status.

Judges in NY have a new standard they have to work under which is far more restrictive with respect to what legislatures can do in limiting 2nd Amendment rights. It may take some time but we are moving in the right direction.

 

[2edgesword]

And I’ve been dealing with the same nonsense since I got my license in 1981. Im in my late 60’s
So forgive me if Im less than optimistic when it comes to this State.

We are of the same generation. I would say pay attention to what is happening not only in NY but in other states. The restrictions have been falling over the last 20 years in state after state after state. NY and CA are the latest hold outs but they are going to comply. One by one the unconstitutional restrictions are going to fall. Judges in NYS are not going to be made to look like fools and political hacks as any ruling contrary to Bruen gets struck down.

 

[JAMerolle]

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[TJ Ironhorse]

We are of the same generation. I would say pay attention to what is happening not only in NY but in other states. The restrictions have been falling over the last 20 years in state after state after state. NY and CA are the latest hold outs but they are going to comply. One by one the unconstitutional restrictions are going to fall. Judges in NYS are not going to be made to look like fools and political hacks as any ruling contrary to Bruen gets struck down.

I hope and pray that You’re right on this. We’ve been treated as second class citizens for far, far too long. 🤙🏻🤙🏻

 

[gcloss]

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[Gary_Hungerford]

New York is never going to make it easy for acquiring a pistol license. The Police Department Administration is anti gun and doesn’t like giving a pistol license too easily, unless you have connections or being a celebrity.
I don’t expect this case will remove all the restrictions. It will be appealed.

I have to disagree. Bruen has, already, eliminated all restrictions and requirements for the issuance of a license. Once Maryland Shall Issue, Inc., et al, v. Lawrence Hogan, governor of Maryland, et al [case 1:16-cv-03311-ELH] is heard, by SCOTUS, the whole concept of having to obtain a license, to exercise a Constitutionally-protected right will, also, be gone and the whole country will be converted to Constitutional carry, as it should be.
Gary

 

[boosti]

I have to disagree. Bruen has, already, eliminated all restrictions and requirements for the issuance of a license. Once Maryland Shall Issue, Inc., et al, v. Lawrence Hogan, governor of Maryland, et al [case 1:16-cv-03311-ELH] is heard, by SCOTUS, the whole concept of having to obtain a license, to exercise a Constitutionally-protected right will, also, be gone and the whole country will be converted to Constitutional carry, as it should be.
Gary

Gary, The case must be heard by SCOTUS.
NYSRPA v. Bruen did not give us “Constitutional Carry” we are bound by the State Law.
We must wait for the legal challenges for now. We are all optimistic, however, we are bound by these strict laws in this state.

 

[ramit]

Gary, The case must be heard by SCOTUS.
NYSRPA v. Bruen did not give us “Constitutional Carry” we are bound by the State Law.
We must wait for the legal challenges for now. We are all optimistic, however, we are bound by these strict laws in this state.

True that...

IIRC, there was language from SCOTUS that said in kind, if NYs attempted to make NYC a complete safe zone, he will hand down “Constitutional Carry” .

The issue has been with NYS; if you don't like it, we'll see you in court. So no matter how you paint it, it's gonna drag out. To what end, I don't know. And how long, who knows.
They buy their time with the courts and writing papers. Look how long it took for Bruen to be heard, and for an out come. The hint of this was an subject when this forum was started, with failed attempts (but it was part of getting the ball rolling up the hill?).

 

[Gary_Hungerford]

Gary, The case must be heard by SCOTUS.
NYSRPA v. Bruen did not give us “Constitutional Carry” we are bound by the State Law.
We must wait for the legal challenges for now. We are all optimistic, however, we are bound by these strict laws in this state.

True that...

I didn't say Bruen gave us Constitutional carry. I said it eliminated all restrictions on our existing licenses. Constitutional carry will come from the decision handed down in the MD suit, which I also cited, when SCOTUS hears that. The existing penal code, as respects handgun licensing, has been voided, by Bruen. It's no longer valid.
Gary

IIRC, there was language from SCOTUS that said in kind, if NYs attempted to make NYC a complete safe zone, he will hand down “Constitutional Carry” .

The issue has been with NYS; if you don't like it, we'll see you in court. So no matter how you paint it, it's gonna drag out. To what end, I don't know. And how long, who knows.
They buy their time with the courts and writing papers. Look how long it took for Bruen to be heard, and for an out come. The hint of this was an subject when this forum was started, with failed attempts (but it was part of getting the ball rolling up the hill?).

The state's attempt, to circumvent the Bruen decision, via passage of CCIA, will fall on its face, on 8/26, when the injunction is issued. An injunction prevents CCIA from becoming effective. While CCIA is ineffective, the Bruen decision stands, as the sole law of the land. While the federal court hears NYS' arguments, to support the CCIA, it's not in effect, because of the injunction.

Gary

 

[Will2WinLLC]

Will the firearm training classes be mandatory - should i start signing up now?

 

[Gary_Hungerford]

Will the firearm training classes be mandatory - should i start signing up now?

There are no firearms training classes in effect. They would only be effective if CCIA was allowed to become effectve and, even then, the state police have until April, 2023, to create a training program, then certify instructors.
Gary

 

[JAMerolle]

Will the firearm training classes be mandatory - should i start signing up now?

They are talking 16 hours of training while the well-established NRA Basic Pistol course is not even close to that. I don't think a curriculum has been thought of let alone having it done by 8/26 if the injunction works out for us. All this is up in the air, who knows?

 

[Will2WinLLC]

There are no firearms training classes in effect. They would only be effective if CCIA was allowed to become effectve and, even then, the state police have until April, 2023, to create a training program, then certify instructors.
Gary

What was the original criteria for consealed carry?

 

[boosti]

The state's attempt, to circumvent the Bruen decision, via passage of CCIA, will fall on its face, on 8/26, when the injunction is issued. An injunction prevents CCIA from becoming effective. While CCIA is ineffective, the Bruen decision stands, as the sole law of the land. While the federal court hears NYS' arguments, to support the CCIA, it's not in effect, because of the injunction.

Gary

Gary, as you know, the state will appeal the injunction and drag this out. While I agree with you how the recent ruling while cause many laws to fail. I know New York will fight every second. As with The Un Safe Act, a Federal Judge will pick away at the CCIA and leave the sensitive locations and training requirements.

 

[Gary_Hungerford]

What was the original criteria for consealed carry?

"Original" goes back, to before the Sullivan Act of 1911. There were no criteria, at that point. After the Sullivan Act, it was political connections and/or retired law enforcement ONLY. Prior to the Bruen decision, as affirmed by the NY decision, in O'Brien v Keegan (87 NY2d 436, 663 N.E.2d 316, 639 NYS.2d 1004 [1996]), the state could set any criteria it wanted. Several counties had no criteria, other than that you were not a felon. Others required different hours of "training," each different from the other but all accepting the NRA Basic Pistol Course.

Since the Bruen decision, there are no legally-acceptable criteria, other than the applicant not be a felon or an otherwise prohibited person.

Gary

 

[ARP228]

Gary, as you know, the state will appeal the injunction and drag this out. While I agree with you how the recent ruling while cause many laws to fail. I know New York will fight every second. As with The Un Safe Act, a Federal Judge will pick away at the CCIA and leave the sensitive locations and training requirements.

The majority of the sensitive locations will not stand. It was stated in the decision that they could not deem the entire island of Manhattan a sensitive place. Well, they took it much further than that by basically declaring the entire state of NY a sensitive place. This will be ruled unconstitutional

 

[ramit]

What was the original criteria for consealed carry?

back when I got mine in the late 80's (CC w/sportsman restriction. Suffolk):
-had to be a member of a range/club
-and for the carry for while hunting, had to take the hunter safety course (and have a hunting license too, IIRC).
Some time between back then and until just now (pre-SCOTUS ruling) those requirements I had to meet were dropped.
Some where along the line, I didn't need them for my renewals.

(IF you mean For unrestricted CC, not sportsman, it was all about how much money per week, or a good guy letter, or proven your in danger. Nearly impossible. Those that I know that have it, have cash businesses.)

Now just file your application package and just wait.

My daughter got hers about 7years ago, and back then for a lady, they went quick, about 2months.

 

[Gary_Hungerford]

Gary, as you know, the state will appeal the injunction and drag this out. While I agree with you how the recent ruling while cause many laws to fail. I know New York will fight every second. As with The Un Safe Act, a Federal Judge will pick away at the CCIA and leave the sensitive locations and training requirements.

The state can appeal it all they want but, once an injunction is in place, the CCIA is not enforceable and the Bruen decision is the law of the land.
Gary

 

[duke3026]

Now just file your application package and just wait.

My daughter got hers about 7years ago, and back then for a lady, they went quick, about 2months.

And on Father’s Day! The jerkoff that shot up the pharmacy in Medford. Made it, a longer drawn out process, to obtain a license, that the county should be sued. Individuals with nothing in their past. Certainly, shouldn’t be needing to wait nearly two years for approva.