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As much as I hate linking to huffpo...

Dear Majority Leader Reid and Leader McConnell:

I am writing to respectfully urge you and your caucuses to oppose the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act (S.Amdt. 1618 (111th) & H.R. 822 (112th)), which may be before the Senate in short order. This legislation would have a devastating effect on the ability of law enforcement in New York to combat the scourge of gun violence. Specifically, it would force nearly every state in the Union -- including those, like New York, with reasonable restrictions on firearm ownership and transport, that are essential to public safety -- to abandon its own gun laws by allowing out-of-state visitors to carry concealed firearms based on their home state's less safe laws, rather than those of the state they are entering.
This would create a lowest common denominator approach to public safety that would increase the threat to New Yorkers, impede the ability of law enforcement to do its job, and undermine the will of our citizens as expressed through their duly elected state legislators. Stated simply, it would make the people of my State -- where we have long-held standards intended to keep firearms out of the hands of those who should not have them -- less safe.
Congress should be passing legislation to ensure that there are fewer potentially dangerous people on our streets with concealed, loaded handguns -- not legislation, like the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, which undermines state law enforcement efforts to combat gun-related violence. A 2010 study showed that nearly half of the guns that crossed state lines before being recovered in crimes came from just ten states, most with comparatively weak gun laws, indicating that weak gun laws in other states have already had an appreciable negative public safety impact on states like New York. Indeed, in 2009, more than 92% of the traced guns recovered in connection with crimes committed in New York City originally came from outside the State. Unlike New York, which requires every applicant for a handgun license to submit to both a fingerprint-based criminal history background check and a review of his or her mental health records, many states require only one of these two critical background checks, and some require neither.

Forcing us to honor gun permits from other states will dramatically increase the threat posed by firearms in our State by restricting our ability to control who may and may not carry a concealed weapon in all or parts of the State, undermining the ability of police to verify the validity of gun permits (as no national database exists) and allowing gun traffickers to more easily bring illegal guns into the State.

New York has, through its elected representatives, made reasoned judgments about the ability of its citizens to carry concealed firearms based on its own assessment of the dangers posed by these weapons and the particular public safety needs of its residents. Similar public safety concerns form the basis of New York's longstanding ban on assault weapons and its statutory requirement that background checks be conducted at all gun shows in the State. This legislation would strip New York and other states of the authority to determine who may carry a concealed, loaded weapon within their borders. In so doing, it would increase the threat of gun violence against New Yorkers, compromise the safety of our law enforcement officers and their ability to crack down on illegal firearms, and undermine the considered judgment of this State as to the public safety needs of its own citizens.

For all these reasons, I strongly urge you to oppose the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act. Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,
Eric T. Schneiderman
Attorney General
New York
Does he not realize that it isn't like any Tom, Dick, or Harry, can just get a CCW permit?

Does he not have faith in the FBI and their background check system?

Does he not realize, that it if weren't for the "good cause" portion of NY laws, anyone capable of getting a permit from another state should be legally capable of getting one in NY?

FTA (not the letter itself)

New York has, through its elected representatives, made reasoned judgments about the ability of its citizens to carry concealed firearms
Really? And what reasoning was that again?
 

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As much as I hate linking to huffpo...

Dear Majority Leader Reid and Leader McConnell:

I am writing to respectfully urge you and your caucuses to oppose the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act (S.Amdt. 1618 (111th) & H.R. 822 (112th)), which may be before the Senate in short order. This legislation would have a devastating effect on the ability of law enforcement in New York to combat the scourge of gun violence. Specifically, it would force nearly every state in the Union -- including those, like New York, with reasonable restrictions on firearm ownership and transport, that are essential to public safety -- to abandon its own gun laws by allowing out-of-state visitors to carry concealed firearms based on their home state's less safe laws, rather than those of the state they are entering.
This would create a lowest common denominator approach to public safety that would increase the threat to New Yorkers, impede the ability of law enforcement to do its job, and undermine the will of our citizens as expressed through their duly elected state legislators. Stated simply, it would make the people of my State -- where we have long-held standards intended to keep firearms out of the hands of those who should not have them -- less safe.
Congress should be passing legislation to ensure that there are fewer potentially dangerous people on our streets with concealed, loaded handguns -- not legislation, like the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, which undermines state law enforcement efforts to combat gun-related violence. A 2010 study showed that nearly half of the guns that crossed state lines before being recovered in crimes came from just ten states, most with comparatively weak gun laws, indicating that weak gun laws in other states have already had an appreciable negative public safety impact on states like New York. Indeed, in 2009, more than 92% of the traced guns recovered in connection with crimes committed in New York City originally came from outside the State. Unlike New York, which requires every applicant for a handgun license to submit to both a fingerprint-based criminal history background check and a review of his or her mental health records, many states require only one of these two critical background checks, and some require neither.

Forcing us to honor gun permits from other states will dramatically increase the threat posed by firearms in our State by restricting our ability to control who may and may not carry a concealed weapon in all or parts of the State, undermining the ability of police to verify the validity of gun permits (as no national database exists) and allowing gun traffickers to more easily bring illegal guns into the State.

New York has, through its elected representatives, made reasoned judgments about the ability of its citizens to carry concealed firearms based on its own assessment of the dangers posed by these weapons and the particular public safety needs of its residents. Similar public safety concerns form the basis of New York's longstanding ban on assault weapons and its statutory requirement that background checks be conducted at all gun shows in the State. This legislation would strip New York and other states of the authority to determine who may carry a concealed, loaded weapon within their borders. In so doing, it would increase the threat of gun violence against New Yorkers, compromise the safety of our law enforcement officers and their ability to crack down on illegal firearms, and undermine the considered judgment of this State as to the public safety needs of its own citizens.

For all these reasons, I strongly urge you to oppose the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act. Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,
Eric T. Schneiderman
Attorney General
New York
Does he not realize that it isn't like any Tom, Dick, or Harry, can just get a CCW permit?

Does he not have faith in the FBI and their background check system?

Does he not realize, that it if weren't for the "good cause" portion of NY laws, anyone capable of getting a permit from another state should be legally capable of getting one in NY?

FTA (not the letter itself)

New York has, through its elected representatives, made reasoned judgments about the ability of its citizens to carry concealed firearms
Really? And what reasoning was that again?
 

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Come on.. you dont like huff? :p

If this passes, it will be interesting.. !
 

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Come on.. you dont like huff? :p

If this passes, it will be interesting.. !
 

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Full House consideration of the legislation is expected to happen in the next few weeks.

Please contact your member of Congress today and urge their support for H.R. 822 and opposition to any amendments anti-gun legislators are expected to bring to weaken the legislation. You can find contact information for your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.NRAILA.org, or you can call your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.

Direct link to contact your Rep here: http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

NRA-ILA EVC
 

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Full House consideration of the legislation is expected to happen in the next few weeks.

Please contact your member of Congress today and urge their support for H.R. 822 and opposition to any amendments anti-gun legislators are expected to bring to weaken the legislation. You can find contact information for your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.NRAILA.org, or you can call your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.

Direct link to contact your Rep here: http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

NRA-ILA EVC
 

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good luck to him.  he might garner support in nj, ct, ca, ms, the usual places.  outside of that, he's better off trying to make english the national language.
 

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good luck to him.  he might garner support in nj, ct, ca, ms, the usual places.  outside of that, he's better off trying to make english the national language.
 

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I love how he cites statistics about the percentage of guns recovered in connection with crimes in NY coming from other states and makes no mention of the fact that they got into NY illegally in the first place, We currently don't have reciprocity with other states, do we? Or did I miss that somewhere?
 

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I love how he cites statistics about the percentage of guns recovered in connection with crimes in NY coming from other states and makes no mention of the fact that they got into NY illegally in the first place, We currently don't have reciprocity with other states, do we? Or did I miss that somewhere?
 

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What about the Senate? Chuck Schumers on board for 822 right? After all , he has an unrestricted carry permit.

The Architect said:
Full House consideration of the legislation is expected to happen in the next few weeks.

Please contact your member of Congress today and urge their support for H.R. 822 and opposition to any amendments anti-gun legislators are expected to bring to weaken the legislation. You can find contact information for your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.NRAILA.org, or you can call your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.

Direct link to contact your Rep here: http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

NRA-ILA EVC
 

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What about the Senate? Chuck Schumers on board for 822 right? After all , he has an unrestricted carry permit.

The Architect said:
Full House consideration of the legislation is expected to happen in the next few weeks.

Please contact your member of Congress today and urge their support for H.R. 822 and opposition to any amendments anti-gun legislators are expected to bring to weaken the legislation. You can find contact information for your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.NRAILA.org, or you can call your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.

Direct link to contact your Rep here: http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

NRA-ILA EVC
 

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lynyrd said:
The anti 2A folks are making their voice heard. We can't even come up with enough signatures in a month to warrant Obama's attention.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions?utm_source=wethepeopleearly&utm_medium=image&utm_campaign=wethepeople#%21/petition/support-hr-822-national-right-carry-reciprocity-act-2011/FD9zpRf5

How many folks bothered to tell their Rep they support this.

Oh.... that's right it's a waste of time. I forogt.

Paul
Everyone should sign this..
 

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lynyrd said:
The anti 2A folks are making their voice heard. We can't even come up with enough signatures in a month to warrant Obama's attention.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions?utm_source=wethepeopleearly&utm_medium=image&utm_campaign=wethepeople#%21/petition/support-hr-822-national-right-carry-reciprocity-act-2011/FD9zpRf5

How many folks bothered to tell their Rep they support this.

Oh.... that's right it's a waste of time. I forogt.

Paul
Everyone should sign this..
 

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Just sent him (the AG) an email, doubt I will get a response.

Sir,

I am writing you in response to the letter you sent to Senators Reid and McConnell regarding HR 822 (SA 1618), the national reciprocity bill.

I know you are an intelligent man, but are only responsible for overseeing our wonderful state of NY, and you might not have had the time to look into the requirements to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon in other states. Being someone with a bit of free time on their hands, I have looked into it.

Many states actually go above and beyond the requirements set forth by NY to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon, requiring a safety class (of usually 8 hours or more), demonstration of proper safe handling, technique, and understanding of the laws concerning the responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm.

Moreover, in order to purchase a handgun a citizen must go through a vigorous background check conducted by the FBI's NICS system. Surely you trust the Federal Bureau of Investigation to do their due diligence in determining who is legally capable of possessing a firearm, correct?

I think that you would be surprised to find out that citizens of other states that are legally capable of possessing a firearm and a permit to carry one on their person would be perfectly legally capable of meeting and exceeding the requirements set forth by the state of New York, however New York utilizes a subjective "demonstration of good cause" clause to deny its own citizens such a right, let alone citizens from neighboring states.

I know this will probably fall on deaf ears, but I implore you to reconsider your stance on this issue in general, as well as your letter to the congressional leaders. Citizens who have been vetted by the FBI, and demonstrated responsible, safe handling of firearms are not what you need to be concerned about. It is those citizens who routinely and continually break the law with respect to firearms, the ones who are not going to care whether or not this legislation is passed, already carry their firearms illegally, and will continue to do so anyway, that are of the greatest concern. Standing in the way of citizens attempting to go through the proper legal channels is only going to do more harm than good.

I appreciate your time and consideration.

Respectfully yours,

SIGNED

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Teaching Assistant, Mechanical Engineering Dept.
DeBaun Scholar

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Just sent him (the AG) an email, doubt I will get a response.

Sir,

I am writing you in response to the letter you sent to Senators Reid and McConnell regarding HR 822 (SA 1618), the national reciprocity bill.

I know you are an intelligent man, but are only responsible for overseeing our wonderful state of NY, and you might not have had the time to look into the requirements to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon in other states. Being someone with a bit of free time on their hands, I have looked into it.

Many states actually go above and beyond the requirements set forth by NY to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon, requiring a safety class (of usually 8 hours or more), demonstration of proper safe handling, technique, and understanding of the laws concerning the responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm.

Moreover, in order to purchase a handgun a citizen must go through a vigorous background check conducted by the FBI's NICS system. Surely you trust the Federal Bureau of Investigation to do their due diligence in determining who is legally capable of possessing a firearm, correct?

I think that you would be surprised to find out that citizens of other states that are legally capable of possessing a firearm and a permit to carry one on their person would be perfectly legally capable of meeting and exceeding the requirements set forth by the state of New York, however New York utilizes a subjective "demonstration of good cause" clause to deny its own citizens such a right, let alone citizens from neighboring states.

I know this will probably fall on deaf ears, but I implore you to reconsider your stance on this issue in general, as well as your letter to the congressional leaders. Citizens who have been vetted by the FBI, and demonstrated responsible, safe handling of firearms are not what you need to be concerned about. It is those citizens who routinely and continually break the law with respect to firearms, the ones who are not going to care whether or not this legislation is passed, already carry their firearms illegally, and will continue to do so anyway, that are of the greatest concern. Standing in the way of citizens attempting to go through the proper legal channels is only going to do more harm than good.

I appreciate your time and consideration.

Respectfully yours,

SIGNED

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Teaching Assistant, Mechanical Engineering Dept.
DeBaun Scholar

OTHER CREDENTIALS
 

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lynyrd said:
The anti 2A folks are making their voice heard. We can't even come up with enough signatures in a month to warrant Obama's attention.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions?utm_source=wethepeopleearly&utm_medium=image&utm_campaign=wethepeople#%21/petition/support-hr-822-national-right-carry-reciprocity-act-2011/FD9zpRf5

How many folks bothered to tell their Rep they support this.

Oh.... that's right it's a waste of time. I forogt.

Paul
+1. How many members are there here? Every single one should have signed.
 

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lynyrd said:
The anti 2A folks are making their voice heard. We can't even come up with enough signatures in a month to warrant Obama's attention.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions?utm_source=wethepeopleearly&utm_medium=image&utm_campaign=wethepeople#%21/petition/support-hr-822-national-right-carry-reciprocity-act-2011/FD9zpRf5

How many folks bothered to tell their Rep they support this.

Oh.... that's right it's a waste of time. I forogt.

Paul
+1. How many members are there here? Every single one should have signed.
 
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