With no adults in the room and no concern whatsoever for the rule of law, it is pretty much a done deal.It is a proposed legislation it has not yet been voted on so it is not law yet.
What about HR 218? Is that DCJS?If you read the proposed legislation it reads that it shall take effect immediately with no carveouts or grandfathered sections.
If passed as is, that would mean that if you were to take a CCIA course taught by a NRA Instructor (a duly certified instructor per current law) after the effective date of the law that person would not be deemed an instructor under NYS Law. In other words as long as you complete the course and the certificate is dated before the law takes effect you should be ok.
I would hope that NYS would recognize that these instructors are committed to teaching safe and responsible handling of weapons and that passing the law would be a de-service to gun owners as well as to non gun owners. Even folks who don’t seek a CCW oftentimes take the NRA Basic Pistol Course which if the law is passed it would have zero value in NY. I encourage everyone who owns a a firearm to take the NRA Basic Pistol Course and passing this legislation will make it less attractive for folks to do that.
The date you paid for the course should be the registered date on the certificate. Therefore, save your receipt with the date on it. If you paid for an upcoming course, ask the instructor to pre-date the certificate showing a registered date that is before the date of the new law set to go into effect and coincides with the date on your receipt. Having both a register date and a completion date lets SCPD know you committed to the course before the new law was put into motion.How will this affect those who are signing up for training in the months to come?
Thank you for the feedback, but I am advocating for two dates documented, the registration date and the completion date. There is nothing fraudulent, and moreover, it's a more accurate documentation of history. I conclude, please call SCPD to verify what should be done. I think SCPD is a fair group of professionals, not looking to sideline someone on technicalities.Word of caution and I am simply saying this because laws can be interpreted in different ways and I don’t want anyone to waste any money. Also this legislation has not yet passed and if passed the ultimate version could have carveouts (for example for individuals who have registered but not yet taken the course as of the effective date)
A reading of the current proposed legislation can conclude that after the effective date of the law all NRA Certified instructors cease to be duly authorized instructors under NYS Law. Therefore any course taught after this date is not being taught by a “duly authorized” instructor thereby making the certificate worthless.
The above is accurate regardless of when you sign up for the course. Backdating the certificates of completion with the date of registration instead of the date of completion for the course could be deemed a fraudulent document. If this is the case the instructor may have a problem with law enforcement and the licensee could be accused of submitting a false document which in turn will jeopardize you weapons license.
Exactly. But this is all a good sign. NY has been anti-gun for over 100 years. And it is exceptionally desperate now. The more obstacles, the more difficult, the more dramatic, the more "obviously unconstitutional, unfair, illegal, and just plain stupid," the easier it will be to strike down.I hate to sound negative, but it becomes clearer and clearer to me that NY will continue to fight dirty, and just keep throwing up obstacles and roadblock, no matter how obviously unconstitutional, unfair, illegal, and just plain stupid.
The state will never concede and go quietly to the point of observing, upholding, and enforcing the law.