New Jersey - what are the rules?

I didn't want to hijack someone else's thread so I started this one.

I have seen two recent posts which mention New Jersey. The posts seemed to indicate that in NJ there are situations where a non-license holder can borrow a pistol.

Can anyone provide detail on this? Can anyone provide a reference?

I may be going to New Jersey for a shooting event in the near future. The ability for others to borrow/loan handguns would make life much easier - provided it is legal.

there is a conceptual difference for guns in NY vs NJ;

In NY, only a pistol permit holder can handle/posess guns legally

in NJ, only a pistol license holder can own the gun, but anyone else can fire it.

Thats my interpretation however. You should call a local NJ range. I think Bullet hole is open, their a little scary at times, but you should call at least 2 to make sure.

there is a conceptual difference for guns in NY vs NJ;

In NY, only a pistol permit holder can handle/posess guns legally

in NJ, only a pistol license holder can own the gun, but anyone else can fire it.

Thats my interpretation however. You should call a local NJ range. I think Bullet hole is open, their a little scary at times, but you should call at least 2 to make sure.

Rather then take someone else's word for it, I would suggest checking out the NRA's legal site or the state's police site. This goes for all states.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

-Jim

Rather then take someone else's word for it, I would suggest checking out the NRA's legal site or the state's police site. This goes for all states.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

-Jim

There is no problem using someone elses legal handgun.  I used to go to a gun store on Route 46 that rented handguns for use on thier range which was on premises

There is no problem using someone elses legal handgun.  I used to go to a gun store on Route 46 that rented handguns for use on thier range which was on premises

madmax said:

there is a conceptual difference for guns in NY vs NJ;

In NY, only a pistol permit holder can handle/posess guns legally

in NJ, only a pistol license holder can own the gun, but anyone else can fire it.

Thats my interpretation however. You should call a local NJ range. I think Bullet hole is open, their a little scary at times, but you should call at least 2 to make sure.

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You have license and permit mixed up.

NY = pistol license
NJ = pistol permit

madmax said:

there is a conceptual difference for guns in NY vs NJ;

In NY, only a pistol permit holder can handle/posess guns legally

in NJ, only a pistol license holder can own the gun, but anyone else can fire it.

Thats my interpretation however. You should call a local NJ range. I think Bullet hole is open, their a little scary at times, but you should call at least 2 to make sure.

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You have license and permit mixed up.

NY = pistol license
NJ = pistol permit

Seriously who makes up these crazy laws. I just read the whole thing on the NRA site and having that in my mind compared to NY, and it's all just nuts. They're rather unrestricted about some things, but then even more restricted about other things.  So much of this, in both states, seems strictly intended to trip someone up with a technicality that has dire consequences, particularly if you have any intent on traveling out of your own state.

Seriously who makes up these crazy laws. I just read the whole thing on the NRA site and having that in my mind compared to NY, and it's all just nuts. They're rather unrestricted about some things, but then even more restricted about other things.  So much of this, in both states, seems strictly intended to trip someone up with a technicality that has dire consequences, particularly if you have any intent on traveling out of your own state.

I'll give you my 2¢ version. I looked into it pretty good a couple years ago and was even going to get a NJ FID card. (A PITA for a non resident).

I still have no REAL idea what the laws is. ;D I guess that's what they want.

You need a New Jersey State Firearms ID card to buy a firearm.
You need a permit (kind of like of like our purchase documents) to buy a handgun.
You need a concealed carry permit to CCW (which don't actually exist, they're like vaporware).

I never did find the law saying it was illegal to own or possess long guns / handguns without an FID and/or permit. :hmmm

I'll give you my 2¢ version. I looked into it pretty good a couple years ago and was even going to get a NJ FID card. (A PITA for a non resident).

I still have no REAL idea what the laws is. ;D I guess that's what they want.

You need a New Jersey State Firearms ID card to buy a firearm.
You need a permit (kind of like of like our purchase documents) to buy a handgun.
You need a concealed carry permit to CCW (which don't actually exist, they're like vaporware).

I never did find the law saying it was illegal to own or possess long guns / handguns without an FID and/or permit. :hmmm

JimP said:

Rather then take someone else's word for it, I would suggest checking out the NRA's legal site or the state's police site. This goes for all states.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

-Jim

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Which is always the best thing to do. Checking the state's website, it seems that NJ does allow someone to "borrow" a handgun under certain circumstances. Since most of NJ laws are more draconian than NY, I wanted to double check here for any "gotchas" that I may have missed.

The person hosting the event has also contacted the local/state law enforcement, and they have confirmed that the event we are proposing to run will not be any problem.

Funny thing - a few years ago I walked into a Nassau precinct asking them similar questions about an event on Long Island. I thought I was going to be shot, arrested or both. The Nassau cops all but threw me out. Maybe NJ isn't as bad as it is rumored to be.

JimP said:

Rather then take someone else's word for it, I would suggest checking out the NRA's legal site or the state's police site. This goes for all states.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

-Jim

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Which is always the best thing to do. Checking the state's website, it seems that NJ does allow someone to "borrow" a handgun under certain circumstances. Since most of NJ laws are more draconian than NY, I wanted to double check here for any "gotchas" that I may have missed.

The person hosting the event has also contacted the local/state law enforcement, and they have confirmed that the event we are proposing to run will not be any problem.

Funny thing - a few years ago I walked into a Nassau precinct asking them similar questions about an event on Long Island. I thought I was going to be shot, arrested or both. The Nassau cops all but threw me out. Maybe NJ isn't as bad as it is rumored to be.

JUST DO NOT BRING A HOLLOW POINT INTO THE GARDEN SNAKE STATE

JUST DO NOT BRING A HOLLOW POINT INTO THE GARDEN SNAKE STATE

M14BULLETTS said:

JUST DO NOT BRING A HOLLOW POINT INTO THE GARDEN SNAKE STATE

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I really wish this myth would die... Gene you know better too... It it NOT illegal to possess hollow point ammunition in NJ - The law however is (intentionally IMO) obfuscated to the point that you are better of NOT to have it though, just to keep life well, free.

I have the law here somewhere, but the short of it seemed to be you can buy it, own it, possess it, shoot it AT A RANGE, but don't even THINK about having it loaded in a gun or magazine for any other purpose (ie. home defense, carry, transport).

....I think that most every box of hollow point that I've ever bought was bought in NJ.

I used to shoot at Ray's, Rt 22 in Plainfield - I hear they are closed now unfortunately. I'd go with friends, and borrow their handguns. (since I couldn't bring mine to shoot) For a NY resident to bring their guns, requires a match program and registration for that match, or a NJ FOID if I remember correctly

M14BULLETTS said:

JUST DO NOT BRING A HOLLOW POINT INTO THE GARDEN SNAKE STATE

Click to expand...

I really wish this myth would die... Gene you know better too... It it NOT illegal to possess hollow point ammunition in NJ - The law however is (intentionally IMO) obfuscated to the point that you are better of NOT to have it though, just to keep life well, free.

I have the law here somewhere, but the short of it seemed to be you can buy it, own it, possess it, shoot it AT A RANGE, but don't even THINK about having it loaded in a gun or magazine for any other purpose (ie. home defense, carry, transport).

....I think that most every box of hollow point that I've ever bought was bought in NJ.

I used to shoot at Ray's, Rt 22 in Plainfield - I hear they are closed now unfortunately. I'd go with friends, and borrow their handguns. (since I couldn't bring mine to shoot) For a NY resident to bring their guns, requires a match program and registration for that match, or a NJ FOID if I remember correctly