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I recently ordered a Leupold Mark 4 4.5-14x40 Target. It's the same as other Mark 4 scopes except it has target turrets and a duplex reticle. I will be mounting the scope on my 700P .300 WM.  I'm having second thoughts that maybe I should've gotten the M1 turrets and mil-dot. For all intents and purposes does anybody think the M1 with a mil-dot reticle is really necessary/worth the extra $$?
 

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Mil-Dot reticle is used for range estimation and quickly holding up for range and over for wind without adjusting the turrets. If you do not feel you will need to do that, you do not need it. Most target shooters don't use "holds". However with a little math and practice it is a good way to quickly range and hit targets at unknown distances in varying conditions.

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I love having a mil-dot. I have a mark 4 3.5-10 on my MK14.. But I literally never use it. Maybe I'm better off saving the money and investing in a better stock or some tuning.
 

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I have the same scope on the same gun. That's one of the best Mark 4's you can buy, both good for hunting and precision shooting.
I am interested in your 700P stock if you are looking to get rid of it please let me know. Thanks
 

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Im a former Navy shooter. I was trained on the use of mildot scopes. It is a great system for range finding and hold overs at VERY long range. The bigger question is what is your intended shooting. Is it for hunting or are you going into tactical shooting matches with unknow distances. The duplex will serve you quite well for about 99% of all shooting needs. If you need range finding buy a good range finder and make a drop card for the ammo you intend to shoot. Range it , dial in the dope on the scope and shoot. Much faster than trying to do math in the field.
 

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I have the same scope on the same gun. That's one of the best Mark 4's you can buy, both good for hunting and precision shooting.
I am interested in your 700P stock if you are looking to get rid of it please let me know. Thanks
The stock is like new with Harris swivel bipod on it. Also like new. PM me if you're interested. I'll put the money right towards an AICS 1.5. Thanks
 

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Im a former Navy shooter. I was trained on the use of mildot scopes. It is a great system for range finding and hold overs at VERY long range. The bigger question is what is your intended shooting. Is it for hunting or are you going into tactical shooting matches with unknow distances. The duplex will serve you quite well for about 99% of all shooting needs. If you need range finding buy a good range finder and make a drop card for the ammo you intend to shoot. Range it , dial in the dope on the scope and shoot. Much faster than trying to do math in the field.
I'm going to take your advice. I already have a nice Leupold RX-IV rangefinder and won't be shooting in any competitions in the foreseeable future.
 

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I have no idea how or what your are shooting, but I am sorry to say this, yes for me they are critical on my leupy.

Although I now shoot mostly mil/mil setups (as opposed to the more common and mil reticle/moa turrets, which is incredibly stupid when you think about it. They will be a thing of the past in a few years im sure

but anyway yes, a mil dot is crucial since it allows you to use your scope as an entirely nother instrument, I can now range my target, determine the correct adjustments, calculate holdovers for movement. set up a range card, etc. etc.

there is a trick that allows you to cheat a target reticle into acting in a way that allows it to be used almost the same as if using a mildot called 'the poor mans horse' It is used either when using an older gen 1 mildot or in this case using a target reticle for mil dot ranging, it is also most commonly used when engaging targets at a range that is outside the travel dimensions of your scope generally having to take a close in shot on setup that has say 30-40 mils already built into the rail.

What you basically do is raise your poi to the top of the duplex (assuming there is some type of marking) and then that will then be able to give you a known duplex length to be able to do your calculation for distance, dope etc.
 

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Enjoy the scope-

oldreliable45120 said:
Im a former Navy shooter. I was trained on the use of mildot scopes. It is a great system for range finding and hold overs at VERY long range. The bigger question is what is your intended shooting. Is it for hunting or are you going into tactical shooting matches with unknow distances. The duplex will serve you quite well for about 99% of all shooting needs. If you need range finding buy a good range finder and make a drop card for the ammo you intend to shoot. Range it , dial in the dope on the scope and shoot. Much faster than trying to do math in the field.
CharlieHotel said:
Mil-Dot reticle is used for range estimation and quickly holding up for range and over for wind without adjusting the turrets. If you do not feel you will need to do that, you do not need it. Most target shooters don't use "holds". However with a little math and practice it is a good way to quickly range and hit targets at unknown distances in varying conditions.

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I have no idea how or what your are shooting, but I am sorry to say this, yes for me they are critical on my leupy.

Although I now shoot mostly mil/mil setups (as opposed to the more common and mil reticle/moa turrets, which is incredibly stupid when you think about it. They will be a thing of the past in a few years im sure

but anyway yes, a mil dot is crucial since it allows you to use your scope as an entirely nother instrument, I can now range my target, determine the correct adjustments, calculate holdovers for movement. set up a range card, etc. etc.

there is a trick that allows you to cheat a target reticle into acting in a way that allows it to be used almost the same as if using a mildot called 'the poor mans horse' It is used either when using an older gen 1 mildot or in this case using a target reticle for mil dot ranging, it is also most commonly used when engaging targets at a range that is outside the travel dimensions of your scope generally having to take a close in shot on setup that has say 30-40 mils already built into the rail.

What you basically do is raise your poi to the top of the duplex (assuming there is some type of marking) and then that will then be able to give you a known duplex length to be able to do your calculation for distance, dope etc.
All of this, it really depends on you and what you're doing. Used to shoot very long ranges under all conditions for Uncle Sam with everything from iron sights to J. Unertls, ART and Starlight scopes to Infra-red to plain old Redfield 3-9 Accu-Trac s. Now, most of my "shooting" is at crappy legislation...
 
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