Is it legal?

Nope....not here anyway.

Pate said:

Nope....not here anyway.

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what about it would ba illegal

imagine the kick on that....geez

Jake said:

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Lets say a company started making them, would it be NY legal?
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I suppose it's legal as a pistol. But companies aren't in the business of making things nobody wants. At least, not for very long. That looks like something from "Sons of Guns".

Jake said:

what about it would ba illegal

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I'm far from an expert, but I would guess it's a SBR by ATF rules and illegal in NY.

If I am wrong.....then group buy?

Pate said:

I'm far from an expert, but I would guess it's a SBR by ATF rules and illegal in NY.

If I am wrong.....then group buy?

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According to the thread, it was made on a virgin* receiver, thus a pistol.

*atf definition de milled receiver, re milled is by atf definition a virgin receiver.

Pate said:

I'm far from an expert, but I would guess it's a SBR by ATF rules and illegal in NY.

If I am wrong.....then group buy?

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The GCA and BATFE regs make the Rossi a Title 1 handgun.

The Gun Control Act (GCA) under 27 CFR 478.11[7] defines a handgun/pistol as: 27 CFR 478.11: Handgun. (a) Any firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand; and (b) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in paragraph (a) can be assembled.

And just for giggles, there's a separate definition fora pistol...

Pistol. A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).

sherm66 said:

NYSP declared(via a verbal opinion) the Rossi Ranch Hand (Mare's Leg) illegal. The Pistol Permit Bureau used a veeeery loose interpretation of "shoulder stock" to speculate one could put the Mare's Leg up to there shoulder; hence an SBR. That makes it illegal in NY. I don't see this as being any different.

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Agreed. It's similar to the Rossi they deemed illegal. It's a pistol, just not in NY. I would suspect that both are over the weight limit for a pistol in NY, but I'm not sure about that.

My wrist hurt just looking at that thing.

heartlessmcfly said:

imagine the kick on that....geez

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It must buck like a bronco

cMc214 said:

It must buck like a bronco

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Have fired similar pieces, not too much kick but what there is is sharp

cMc214 said:

It must buck like a bronco

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With a barrel that short, I expect it's more like firing a blank gun, and would not think projectile velocity would be very high either. Kinda pointless from a functional standpoint IMO, but just to be different, OK, I guess it's cool.

A T/C in a something like 7mm has a pretty significant kick, but that's got 12" more barrel to accelerate the bullet.

Very popular in WWII, Mausers were modified the same way.  Resistance used whatever they could and figured out a way to conceal it.   They fall under the category of "butter knife" guns.  Use whatever you can, you only need one shot  (probably all the human body can take) to take from someone who has the weapon you really want.  The Liberator pistols were supposed to be such guns.  

AR_Guy said:

Agreed. It's similar to the Rossi they deemed illegal. It's a pistol, just not in NY. I would suspect that both are over the weight limit for a pistol in NY, but I'm not sure about that.

My wrist hurt just looking at that thing.

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I think they'd call it illegal, as in the Mare's Leg (though shortening the stock further, to a grip only profile might get it the OK.

The weight limit only applies to a semi-auto pistol, I believe.