HR 822 Passed the committee unchanged

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deathsythe

Discussion Starter · Oct 17, 2011

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H.R. 822 (National Reciprocity) made it through committee unchanged. No further language, or pork, or logrolling verbiage was added.

Going Forward:

* Goes to House for discussion and vote.

* If it passes, goes to Senate to do basically the same process.

* If it passes the Senate, BHO can Sign it into law, or veto

* If veto, goes back to congress (House and Senate) with a 2/3 vote required to pass.

Fingers crossed ladies and gents.

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deathsythe

Discussion Starter · #2 · Oct 17, 2011

Transcript (Start on Page 4)

H.R. 822 (National Reciprocity) made it through committee unchanged. No further language, or pork, or logrolling verbiage was added.

Going Forward:

* Goes to House for discussion and vote.

* If it passes, goes to Senate to do basically the same process.

* If it passes the Senate, BHO can Sign it into law, or veto

* If veto, goes back to congress (House and Senate) with a 2/3 vote required to pass.

Fingers crossed ladies and gents.

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liseverewx

· #3 · Oct 17, 2011

Fingers are crossed and praying to the gun gods...I think

Deathsythe what do you think of this? http://www.nationalgunrights.org/h-r-822-a-trojan-horse/

liseverewx

· #4 · Oct 17, 2011

Fingers are crossed and praying to the gun gods...I think

Deathsythe what do you think of this? http://www.nationalgunrights.org/h-r-822-a-trojan-horse/

deathsythe

Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 17, 2011

I disagree. I think this is still a step in the positive direction for gun owners.

deathsythe

Discussion Starter · #6 · Oct 17, 2011

I disagree. I think this is still a step in the positive direction for gun owners.

Captain Will

· #7 · Oct 17, 2011

It is sure as hell a step in the right direction for US. Now, if I lived in Vermont I might have a different attitude, but I think the need for uniformity across state lines outweighs the "state's rights" bit or the fact that Jim from VT will have to now meet the sort of standards that most of us already do.

Captain Will

· #8 · Oct 17, 2011

It is sure as hell a step in the right direction for US. Now, if I lived in Vermont I might have a different attitude, but I think the need for uniformity across state lines outweighs the "state's rights" bit or the fact that Jim from VT will have to now meet the sort of standards that most of us already do.

liseverewx

· #9 · Oct 17, 2011

Captain Will said:
It is sure as hell a step in the right direction for US. Now, if I lived in Vermont I might have a different attitude, but I think the need for uniformity across state lines outweighs the "state's rights" bit or the fact that Jim from VT will have to now meet the sort of standards that most of us already do.

+1 Let's hope this passes. I guess one could over think everything.

liseverewx

· #10 · Oct 17, 2011

Captain Will said:
It is sure as hell a step in the right direction for US. Now, if I lived in Vermont I might have a different attitude, but I think the need for uniformity across state lines outweighs the "state's rights" bit or the fact that Jim from VT will have to now meet the sort of standards that most of us already do.

+1 Let's hope this passes. I guess one could over think everything.

stevenorlando

· #11 · Oct 17, 2011

Captain Will said:
It is sure as hell a step in the right direction for US. Now, if I lived in Vermont I might have a different attitude, but I think the need for uniformity across state lines outweighs the "state's rights" bit or the fact that Jim from VT will have to now meet the sort of standards that most of us already do.

I could not agree more about uniformity. When the constitution was written, the 2A applied to the whole country at the time. What went wrong? I always ask myself that if it is a FEDERAL constitution, why do state counties have a commissioner that controls everything? Also, NY isn't as much a liberal sinkhole as people think, just because it votes democrat. When I went to school in Oswego, my lab partner had full carry, at about 24 years old. It's just the "metro" area that has such restrictions.

stevenorlando

· #12 · Oct 17, 2011

Captain Will said:
It is sure as hell a step in the right direction for US. Now, if I lived in Vermont I might have a different attitude, but I think the need for uniformity across state lines outweighs the "state's rights" bit or the fact that Jim from VT will have to now meet the sort of standards that most of us already do.

I could not agree more about uniformity. When the constitution was written, the 2A applied to the whole country at the time. What went wrong? I always ask myself that if it is a FEDERAL constitution, why do state counties have a commissioner that controls everything? Also, NY isn't as much a liberal sinkhole as people think, just because it votes democrat. When I went to school in Oswego, my lab partner had full carry, at about 24 years old. It's just the "metro" area that has such restrictions.

T.Webb

· #13 · Oct 17, 2011

liseverewx said:
Fingers are crossed and praying to the gun gods...I think

Deathsythe what do you think of this? http://www.nationalgunrights.org/h-r-822-a-trojan-horse/

Dudley Brown and his National Association of Gun Rights appears to be a total scam artist. Everything 2A is doom & gloom to his 2A agenda, which appears basically to be an attempt to place your hard earned funds into his bank account. He claims to be lobbying for our gun rights, but he, nor his attorney are registered Lobbyists.

Dudley Brown and his attorney, Luke Odell fooled me once. Hopefully, they don't fool you as well.

T.Webb

· #14 · Oct 17, 2011

liseverewx said:
Fingers are crossed and praying to the gun gods...I think

Deathsythe what do you think of this? http://www.nationalgunrights.org/h-r-822-a-trojan-horse/

Dudley Brown and his National Association of Gun Rights appears to be a total scam artist. Everything 2A is doom & gloom to his 2A agenda, which appears basically to be an attempt to place your hard earned funds into his bank account. He claims to be lobbying for our gun rights, but he, nor his attorney are registered Lobbyists.

Dudley Brown and his attorney, Luke Odell fooled me once. Hopefully, they don't fool you as well.

T.Webb

· #15 · Oct 17, 2011

I doubt that the President would veto this legislation IF it crosses his desk. Especially with the prospect of a very tough election campaign on the horizon.

The key is the Democratic controlled Senate. I'm quite certain we have the Senate votes, but, it has to come up for a vote, in order for the vote to occur.

If it passes both houses, the President has 3 options ... sign it, veto it, or ignore it. If he ignores it, it still will eventually become law, but he somehow tries to save face with his base.

If the bill does become law, it will be a big victory for the 2A. And I believe will lead to relaxing CCW in New York eventually. After all, why can someone from ... pick a state ... carry in NY while I can't ?? Notice ... that I did say "eventually".

Or, NY, as a city, or state, can outlaw CCW altogether to circumvent the new law. Sorry Marc Anthony. Sorry Mr. Deniro, Mr. Trump, Ms. Stewart et.al ...

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T.Webb

· #16 · Oct 17, 2011

I doubt that the President would veto this legislation IF it crosses his desk. Especially with the prospect of a very tough election campaign on the horizon.

The key is the Democratic controlled Senate. I'm quite certain we have the Senate votes, but, it has to come up for a vote, in order for the vote to occur.

If it passes both houses, the President has 3 options ... sign it, veto it, or ignore it. If he ignores it, it still will eventually become law, but he somehow tries to save face with his base.

If the bill does become law, it will be a big victory for the 2A. And I believe will lead to relaxing CCW in New York eventually. After all, why can someone from ... pick a state ... carry in NY while I can't ?? Notice ... that I did say "eventually".

Or, NY, as a city, or state, can outlaw CCW altogether to circumvent the new law. Sorry Marc Anthony. Sorry Mr. Deniro, Mr. Trump, Ms. Stewart et.al ...

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Smitherines

· #17 · Oct 17, 2011

I'm sorry, but without delving too deep into that document, what's the general gist of this proposal?

Smitherines

· #18 · Oct 17, 2011

I'm sorry, but without delving too deep into that document, what's the general gist of this proposal?

liseverewx

· #19 · Oct 17, 2011

T.Webb said:
Dudley Brown and his National Association of Gun Rights appears to be a total scam artist. Everything 2A is doom & gloom to his 2A agenda, which appears basically to be an attempt to place your hard earned funds into his bank account. He claims to be lobbying for our gun rights, but he, nor his attorney are registered Lobbyists.

Dudley Brown and his attorney, Luke Odell fooled me once. Hopefully, they don't fool you as well.

Toward the bottom of that article he is actually taking donations aimed at "raising awareness" to HR22. It baffled me how a supposed Pro 2A group could almost be against this.

liseverewx

· #20 · Oct 17, 2011

T.Webb said:
Dudley Brown and his National Association of Gun Rights appears to be a total scam artist. Everything 2A is doom & gloom to his 2A agenda, which appears basically to be an attempt to place your hard earned funds into his bank account. He claims to be lobbying for our gun rights, but he, nor his attorney are registered Lobbyists.

Dudley Brown and his attorney, Luke Odell fooled me once. Hopefully, they don't fool you as well.

Toward the bottom of that article he is actually taking donations aimed at "raising awareness" to HR22. It baffled me how a supposed Pro 2A group could almost be against this.

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