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Wow.
"73 percent of immigrant households from Central America and Mexico and 51 percent of households from the Caribbean receiving welfare. "

But I thought illegals were coming here from south of the border to do all those jobs Americans don't want to do?

About half of immigrant households on welfare, report says

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/02/half-immigrant-households-on-welfare-report-says/?intcmp=hplnws

Roughly half of immigrant households in the United States receive at least one form of welfare, with that number rising to 73 percent for immigrant households from Central America and Mexico, a new report released Wednesday said.
The report, released by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) - a group that calls for lower levels of immigration - falls in the middle of a fiery political debate on the presidential campaign trail over immigration policies. The report says immigrant households use welfare at much higher rates than the American-born population. The study used Census Bureau Survey of Income and Program Participation data.
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"In 2012, 51 percent of households headed by an [illegal or legal] immigrant reported that they used at least one welfare program during the year, compared to 30 percent of native households," the report said.
The report found starkly different welfare rates among different groups, with 73 percent of immigrant households from Central America and Mexico and 51 percent of households from the Caribbean receiving welfare. Meanwhile, only 26 percent of immigrant households from Europe and 17 percent from South Asia received welfare in that period.
The types of welfare examined in the study included Medicaid as well as cash, food and housing programs.

However, the report came under immediate criticism in some corners, with the libertarian Cato Institute's Alex Nowrasteh telling FoxNews.com "there's virtually nothing redeemable about this report."
"When you compare households to households, they're all of different sizes and so it's hard to compare them in a way that reveals anything interesting," Nowrasteh said. "Statisticians spend their lives trying to compare apples to apples and CIS didn't even bother."
Nowrasteh also said that by measuring households -- not individuals -- the CIS report ignores the possibility that some immigrant-led households will include native-born Americans using welfare.
Rather, Nowrasteh argued in a lengthy blog post that poor immigrant individuals are less likely to receive welfare than others at their income level, and the problem is a welfare problem, not an immigration problem. "It's easier to build a wall around the welfare state rather than a wall around the country," Nowrasteh said. "I use immigration as an argument against welfare, they use welfare as an argument against immigration."
Steven Camarota, director of research at the CIS and author of the report, said the fact remains that many immigrant households "struggle to feed their own children."
Camarota noted that immigrants often are receiving welfare not due to unemployment, but because they are not earning enough to be ineligible.
"Most people think either you work, or you are on welfare - but that's just wrong," Camarota said. "A mom with two kids working full-time earning $12 an hour is still eligible for most welfare programs."
The report also found that education, or a lack thereof, was an important factor. "In 2012, 76 percent of households headed by an immigrant who had not graduated high school used one or more welfare programs, as did 63 percent of households headed by an immigrant with only a high school education," the report said.
Camarota told FoxNews.com the high welfare use can also be explained in part by strong ethnic social networks that help fellow immigrants both get a job and navigate complex welfare programs.
The report received some heavyweight backing, with the office of Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., drawing attention to it via email. "In all the recycled, power-washed talk about our "broken immigration system," (which inevitably centers on how to help corporations) the exploitation of the welfare system remains one of the most endemic and overlooked problems," the statement said.
Asked about how he hoped the report would contribute to the immigration debate, Camarota said he hoped it would lead to a sober discourse.
"[Collecting welfare] shouldn't be seen as a moral failing on the part of immigrants, but reflective of what happens when you let lots of people who have modest levels of education in a modern society," Camarota said. "Either you select immigrants who aren't going to need programs or accept that they're going to take up a lot of welfare. You can't try and solve it once they're here."
 

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So you are saying I can up the amount of dependents on my tax return?
 

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This all starts at the FREE baby clinics . Spanish has a baby , goes to the clinic , the workers ( Spanish linage ) set them up with all the programs . They get them a social worker and introduce / help them get on these programs . Of course , there are other avenues to sign up for the gravy train.
 

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what i do not get is why is the immigrant population not supporting more immigration controls. there are only so many jobs and they are here already. welfare will only last for so long. how many are standing on the corner of home depo all day waiting to find work. and everyday the number grows of people looking
 

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what i do not get is why is the immigrant population not supporting more immigration controls. there are only so many jobs and they are here already. welfare will only last for so long. how many are standing on the corner of home depo all day waiting to find work. and everyday the number grows of people looking
As long as there are people like you and I to tax it doesn't matter.
 

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what i do not get is why is the immigrant population not supporting more immigration controls. there are only so many jobs and they are here already. welfare will only last for so long. how many are standing on the corner of home depo all day waiting to find work. and everyday the number grows of people looking
they don't " get " that concept
 

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It is not just in the U.S., this is happening everywhere. Canada is in the same boat with legal immigrants. many have latched on the gravy train and they are not giving it up for anything. If you are on Welfare, and living in subsidized housing, which is in some cases ah-mazing, there is no incentive to get a job. Your medical is free, your prescription coverage is free, transportation is free, and the welfare paycheck is higher than the minimum wage would ever be. No incentive. To count on people's sense of duty and morals is pointless and naive. Laziness is reaching pandemic proportions. The carrot is obviously working. We need to come up with equally efficient stick.
 

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and thats why people are getting better and better at hiding money
If they can't tax your money directly they'll find something else new to tax that forces you to use that hidden money to pay it!
 

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. . . Laziness is reaching pandemic proportions . . .
I want to split hairs on this. Laziness is reaching epidemic proportions, not pandemic proportions. A pandemic is global in nature and if all the other countries were giving out generous welfare we would not be overrun with illegals.

Try applying for welfare in China and see what happens.
 

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I want to split hairs on this. Laziness is reaching epidemic proportions, not pandemic proportions. A pandemic is global in nature and if all the other countries were giving out generous welfare we would not be overrun with illegals.

Try applying for welfare in China and see what happens.
It's the same in Europe. Does that make it semi pandemic? Hemispheric?
 

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But is it really being lazy or just "smart work"?

If you come from nothing and can get free decency housing, food, medical care, education, telephone, internet, rights to vote and own property and 2A etc, VS, working 50-60 hours min wage and paying taxes the "smart" decision seems clear.
 

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Everyone should be familiar with the Immigration Act of 1965.

https://en.wikipedia...ity_Act_of_1965

Prior to this almost 20% of all immigrants were turned away. Common causes of turning people away were inability to speak the language, no support from family currently residing here to provide a place to live, no marketable skills to earn a living, and (GASP) criminal background in the home country.

Basically we only accepted people who could contribute to society instead of drain it.
 

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Everyone should be familiar with the Immigration Act of 1965.

https://en.wikipedia...ity_Act_of_1965

Prior to this almost 20% of all immigrants were turned away. Common causes of turning people away were inability to speak the language, no support from family currently residing here to provide a place to live, no marketable skills to earn a living, and (GASP) criminal background in the home country.

Basically we only accepted people who could contribute to society instead of drain it.
That's the way it was when my dad came over.
You also got a physical when you landed.
You failed, it was back to your home country.
 

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Everyone should be familiar with the Immigration Act of 1965.

https://en.wikipedia...ity_Act_of_1965

Prior to this almost 20% of all immigrants were turned away. Common causes of turning people away were inability to speak the language, no support from family currently residing here to provide a place to live, no marketable skills to earn a living, and (GASP) criminal background in the home country.

Basically we only accepted people who could contribute to society instead of drain it.
Looks like the curtain fell on that Act...... no mas
 

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They all haven't figured it out yet, thats why only 1/2 are on services, when everything is dried up, they will just leave as simple as that. everyone thinks they came here for a better life however that is not true I am in the construction industry, I also speak spanish fairly well, these guys send their money back to there country and are setting themselves up for early retirement. They have no interest in becoming citizens here, they are here for one reason, to suck us dry. After that stockmarket collapse a few years back, work slowed down a bit, there was a significant decrease in the amount that was on job sites, that was because they left, came back when economy picked up
 
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