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Gun dealer sentenced to 6-months

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Texas.
Independent seller at a gun show sells handgun to a man with a valid drivers license.
Buyer turns out to be an illegal immigrant, and he gave the gun to another illegal immigrant.
Guess who went to jail?


"One of the gun dealers of Austin's Gun Show is sentenced to 6-months at a federal work camp for selling a weapon to an undocumented immigrant."

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=1272077
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There is something fishy with this story: Does Texas require a background check prior to sale? If so the drivers license that the dealer said "appeared" valid would have showed up as a fake. If Texas doesn't require a check, how is the dealer supposed to determine if the DL is real?

This really wouldn't be an issue if the federal government did its job and kept the illegals out! Instead they want to trap US citizens, and jail them for crimes perceived and otherwise.
Texas requires a background check and cooling off period only if the person buying weapon does not possess a valid Texas CCW permit. Otherwise, it's a background check and, I believe, a three day wait. I'm going to apply for my Texas non-resident CCW when I go and visit my brother in October so I can take advantage of some of the bargains that exist in a State where you have a gun shop every mile or so!
Aha! So if the dealer let the illegal walk out with the gun, he broke the law. Screw him, deport the illegal too....
I don't pretend to know anything at all about Texas law, but can relate an incident that may shed some light.
My mom is from Texas and we spent many summers there, but I was young.
The following is the way it happened - no embelishment - no BS.
Some 20-25 years ago my friend, from Long Island, moved to Dallas, opened a restuarant and was doing pretty well.
One night after working as chef, waiter and bartender, and having one too many, he got arrested for DUI on the way home. They took him to the station and ran him through booking, etc.
The whole time he was petrified, as he had a Glock in the glove box and thought he'd be breaking rocks for 20 years.
They held him a couple of hours and then came and said they were releasing him.
They were returing his property, item by item, and doing his paperwork.
The LEO then asked, "Is that your Glock in the glove box?"
He said his heart stopped, but said, "yes sir", waiting for the worst.
LEO slid it back to him (unloaded)and said "nice gun" and had him sign for it, along with his other property.

I have a feeling this will fall under "that was then - this is now", but it's certainly a different world there.
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govlawyer said:
Texas requires a background check and cooling off period only if the person buying weapon does not possess a valid Texas CCW permit. Otherwise, it's a background check and, I believe, a three day wait. I'm going to apply for my Texas non-resident CCW when I go and visit my brother in October so I can take advantage of some of the bargains that exist in a State where you have a gun shop every mile or so!
You don't need a Texas CCW if you have a valid NY handgun permit.My friend was down in Texas with his NY restricted permit.He checked with Texas if he was legit,No problem if you have a NY permit Texas honors NY.
I'm guessing there is a bit more to this story. If the dealer saw the drivers license, he should have,(at the very least) written down all the pertinent information on a sales receipt. Or better yet, scanned the license with one of those small mobile scanners made for business cards.

If this dealer violated the laws, then he got what he deserved.
Since I'm still waiting for my NY ticket, I'll have the Texas license  before I get it, which is, in part why I'm applying for it.  Also, I plan on retiring to the Houston metro area, and that's one less thing I have to worry about.  The persons I spoke with about NY reciprocity weren't sure about a NY ticket being sufficient to not need the background check, so thanks for the heads up.
govlawyer said:
Since I'm still waiting for my NY ticket, I'll have the Texas license before I get it, which is, in part why I'm applying for it. Also, I plan on retiring to the Houston metro area, and that's one less thing I have to worry about. The persons I spoke with about NY reciprocity weren't sure about a NY ticket being sufficient to not need the background check, so thanks for the heads up.
If you go to www.usacarry.com you can check out the various states reciprocity.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=38088

Contact: Paul Velte, 512-296-5563
Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights
website: http://www.io.com/~velte/pt.htm

In Federal District Court on July 20, 2010, the ATF won a conviction from an Austin jury that defies logic and reason. In a trial before Federal Judge Sam Sparks, government lawyers conceded Texas resident Paul Copeland did not know his buyer was an illegal alien, but the jury they should convict him anyway because he "had reasonable cause to believe" he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing. And the jury did as asked. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Freel acted as lead prosecutor in the case.

The firearm transaction at issue occurred on January 16, 2010, at a gunshow at the North Austin Events Center, at 10601 N. Lamar Blvd., in Austin, Texas. Undercover ATF agents followed Mr. Huerta, his son, and another Hispanic male, Hipolito Aviles, around the "Texas Gunshow" that day, and claimed to observe Huerta's transaction. Austin P.D. used Copeland's case as the reason to close down the gunshow, leading to a protest by Austin residents in front of APD headquarters on January 25.

Mr. Copeland is a 56 year old Cedar Creek resident and Vietnam veteran who liked to buy, sell, and trade firearms as a hobby. On January 16, however, he had the misfortune to sell a handgun to Leonel Huerta Sr., who spoke both English and Spanish. Huerta Sr. negotiated his purchase from Copeland in English, showing Copeland his Texas Driver's License. At Copeland's trial Huerta admitted on the witness stand, that he is in the country illegally, (Huerta Sr. had previously admitted this fact to Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Special Agent Leo Buentello). ATF Agent Shawn Kang claimed he saw Huerta later hand off the gun to Aviles. Despite these admissions, Huerta Sr. was never arrested, charged, or deported. Instead, his presence at the gunshow was used to entrap an American citizen into an unwitting violation of a federal gun control law. Huerta Sr., who is a resident of the City of Austin, appeared as a witness at the trial, admitted he was in the country illegally before federal prosecutors and a federal judge, yet he was allowed to leave the courtroom under his own power. To date Huerta Sr. has not been prosecuted for his purchase, possession, or disposition of the handgun he bought from Copeland, while Copeland is now a convicted felon.

"Instead of busting the illegal alien for buying, they bust the citizen for selling," commented Paul Velte, attorney and founder of Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, a gun-owners rights advocacy group from Austin. Velte asked, "who was in a better position to know the buyer's immigration status, the buyer or the seller?" He also said, "What happened to Paul Copeland should enrage all Americans. The Federal Government is using illegal aliens to entrap citizens lawfully exercising their right to sell firearms. The illegal alien walks free, but the citizen gets convicted. The same government charged with controlling immigration is the one using illegal immigrants to attack its own citizens. Does this make any sense? It makes no sense unless the purpose is to discourage attendance at gunshows and frighten citizens from selling their firearms to other citizens."

Velte pointed out that "There is no way for a citizen to know who is here legally or not. In fact, under Austin's 'sanctuary city' policy, not even the police officer at the door of the gunshow was allowed to ask a person's immigration status, yet the average Texan inside the show is expected to assume that a person standing before them with a Texas driver's license is in the country illegally just because they look Mexican and speak Spanish." Velte noted that the federal government's lawsuit against Arizona was based on that very type of conduct: Concluding someone could be here illegally based on their looks or their language. Velte said gun owners in his group are outraged, and they want to know:

1. Why is the illegal alien who purchased the gun, Leonel Huerta Sr., still living in Austin?
2. Why does he still have a Texas Driver's license?
3. Why is ATF using illegal aliens to set up and convict American citizens?
4. What has he been promised for his cooperation?
5. Why has he not been prosecuted? He committed three distinct crimes: he purchased a firearm knowing he was an illegal alien, he possessed the firearm, and he transferred the handgun to another illegal alien (Hippolito Aviles, who was convicted and given time served on June 30, 2010).
6. Why has Huerta Sr. not been deported?

Judge Sparks sentenced Copeland on August 27 to six months confinement and 24 months of probation, and called Copeland "a liar" for not admitting guilt. ATF confiscated Copeland's entire gun collection and initiated forfeiture proceedings. Copeland was also fired from his job due to the indictment, and he would have lost his home to foreclosure, if not for his family stepping in to pay his mortgage while he serves his sentence.
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T.Webb said:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=38088

...
1. Why is the illegal alien who purchased the gun, Leonel Huerta Sr., still living in Austin?
2. Why does he still have a Texas Driver's license?
3. Why is ATF using illegal aliens to set up and convict American citizens?
4. What has he been promised for his cooperation?
5. Why has he not been prosecuted? He committed three distinct crimes: he purchased a firearm knowing he was an illegal alien, he possessed the firearm, and he transferred the handgun to another illegal alien (Hippolito Aviles, who was convicted and given time served on June 30, 2010).
6. Why has Huerta Sr. not been deported?

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Sounds like an Eric Holder special to me. Go figure!
Why wasn't this case appealed to the 5th District Court of Appeals?
It will be. You can't file the notice of appeal until the sentence is pronounced-that is when judgment is legally rendered. He'll have a statutory period of time to obtain the record and perfect his appeal. The government will have a period of time to respond to the brief and then he'll have an opportunity to file a surreply. Then, it's calendared for oral argument.

I'd say there's a chance that he's free pending appeal, since there is no way the case will be appealed within the time he'd be in custody-that would be somewhat SOP in the State system and generally with a short sentence like that the appellate court will stay execution of the incarceration until the appellate process is over because you can't get the six months back if they reverse the conviction.
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