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Sounds criminal & treasonous to me.

Dozens of intelligence analysts reportedly claim assessments of ISIS were altered
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/10/dozens-intelligence-analysts-reportedly-claim-reports-on-isis-were-altered/?intcmp=hplnws


Dozens of intelligence analysts working at the U.S. military's Central Command (CENTCOM) have complained that their reports on ISIS and the Nusra Front in Syria were inappropriately altered by senior officials, according to a published report.

The Daily Beast reported late Wednesday that more than 50 analysts had supported a complaint to the Pentagon that the reports had been changed to make the terror groups seem weaker than the analysts believe they really are.Fox News confirmed last month that the Defense Department's inspector general was investigating the initial complaint, which the New York Times reported was made by a civilian employee of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

The assessments in question are prepared for several U.S. policymakers, including President Obama.

The Daily Beast report, which cited 11 individuals, claimed that the complaint being investigated by the Defense Department was made in July. However, several analysts reportedly complained as early as this past October that their reports were being altered to suit a political narrative that ISIS was being weakened by U.S.-led airstrikes in Syria.

"The cancer was within the senior level of the intelligence command," the report quotes one defense official as saying.

According to the report, some analysts allege that reports deemed overly negative in their assessment of the Syria campaign were either blocked from reaching policymakers or sent back down the chain of command. Others claim that key elements of intelligence reports were removed, fundamentally altering their conclusions. Another claim is that senior leaders at CENTCOM created a work environment where giving a candid opinion on the progress of the anti-ISIS campaign was discouraged, with one analyst describing the tenor as "Stalinist."
 

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I do not think we are comprehending the enormity of this if it is true. I had to put that caveat "if it is true".
Was the order to alter info given from the top, or did somebody decide on their own to alter the info before it reached the top?
I hate conspiracy theories, I really, really do, but was this a conspiracy? If it was, to what end? Other countries have their intelligence as well, the truth would eventually come out.
Was this done to "protect" the public?

The old "we are all mushrooms - kept in dark and fed $h!t" really applies here.
 

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"Bush lied to us!" is the liberal montra for the Iraq war and all since even though Bush was acting on the info from U.S. intel agencies. Live say Bush should have known better

Can we now say "Obama lied to us!" and he should have known better ISIS was stronger than reported?

 
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Wouldnt look good for a Nobel Peace Prize winner to have a new global threat start and grow on his watch....
 

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I do not think we are comprehending the enormity of this if it is true. I had to put that caveat "if it is true".
Was the order to alter info given from the top, or did somebody decide on their own to alter the info before it reached the top?
I hate conspiracy theories, I really, really do, but was this a conspiracy? If it was, to what end? Other countries have their intelligence as well, the truth would eventually come out.
Was this done to "protect" the public?

The old "we are all mushrooms - kept in dark and fed $h!t" really applies here.
This is to push the narrative the administration wants to.
In the worst way it's to assist in propaganda. At best it's to protect the President and NSA and State from being embarrassed by their poor decisions.
It comes from up high, but not high enough to tie it to the administration. at least that anyone can prove or will admit.
It's to insulate the most senior people especially the President and push a narrative.
Like the body counts in Vietnam that Johnson pushed or when General Westmoreland said the NVA was incapable of launching a major offensive ( which intel knew to be untrue) and we had the Tet offensive which was a military defeat for the communists but a political defeat for us because of that BS.
All governments lie. But it appears the more left,the greater the lies. Possibly because they are more protected by the media or maybe because they're more used to believing lies. I don't know.
Personally, I think it's criminal and treasonous.

But to quote the last Sec State and Democratic frontrunner for President." At this point, what difference does it make?"
 

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To what end?
Why?
WTF?
Remember who the Kenyan, muslim, communist " Manchurian " candidate is . He created isis to run rampant thru out the middle east causing what is now the largest refugee exodus of muslims to Europe the world has ever seen . However This is an invasion, not migration and purposely done. This will change Europe for ever and coming to our country real soon. Remember , Obama is a hard core Marxist and this is just another massive transfer of wealth.
 
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No......................REALLY?!!!
 

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To what end?
Why?
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Anything to insulate this administration from the embarrassment of being wrong, of miscalculation, of underestimating or for their directives not be followed.

Aside from galactic sized egos on Barry and his boy Kerry this would fit perfectly within a narrative of not undermining a brewing Iran deal. 6-9-12 months ago while developing their bag of distort ions and lies, this could have significantly bolstered an argument that the region was headed toward stabilization and therefore becoming more able to be controlled diplomatically versus militarily.

The UN, Saudis and team Obama all have massive potential upsides if the world accepts spoon fed intel that is altered to fit the agenda.
This is extraordinarily important but since we do not have political learership with the balls to Impeach this traitorous fraud, can't even get an indictment against Hillary and have stood by as Barry has essentially militarized our intel agencies, why should we expect anything less.
It sours my stomach that our Pentagon and it's military leadership endorses these behaviors. By not stopping them, they accept and endorse them.
 

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Back in the old days half of the politicians in office today would be swinging from trees for their crimes of high treason.

A pox on all their houses,
This is no revelation it should have been foreseeable and predictable with this guy... Just wait till the next administration gets in ...there may just be a few politicians hanging from trees after all.
 

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Too true.

http://www.businessinsider.com/intelligence-analyst-isis-allegations-2015-9

Trouble is brewing at US Central Command (Centcom), the Pentagon's agency covering security interests in nations throughout the Middle East and Central Asia.
According to a report from The Daily Beast, more than 50 intelligence analysts at Centcom have formally complained that reports on the Islamic State and the Nusra Front - Al Qaeda's Syria branch - have been repeatedly altered by senior intelligence officials to fit with the Obama administration's insistence that the US is winning the war against the two militant groups.
Former CIA deputy director Michael Morrell explained on "CBS This Morning" how serious these allegations are.
"One of the central tenants, one of the key aspects of the policymaking process in the United States is that analysts get to say what they think without any interference, without anybody changing it, so this is a very, very serious charge. I think it needs to be fully investigated," Morrell said.
"If there is truth that somebody has been meddling with their analysis, I think somebody needs to lose their job over it, and there needs to be full transparency into this because it is so important that analysts be able to say what they really think."
REUTERS/Jonathan ErnstPresident Barack Obama is greeted by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff US Army General Martin Dempsey.
A written complaint was sent in July by two Centcom senior analysts to the Department of Defense Inspector General, an independent agency that provides oversight to the Department of Defense.
The complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, according to The Daily Beast.
The Daily Beast published similar allegations last month, citing sources familiar with the terrorism assessments who said senior military and intelligence officials pushed analysts to portray ISIS "as weaker than the analysts believe it actually is" and "paint an overly rosy picture about how well the US-led effort to defeat the group is going."
Now it appears that the problem is more widespread than just a few frustrated analysts.
Eleven individuals knowledgeable about the details of the complaint told The Daily Beast that it says crucial parts of intelligence reports were taken out, analysts were subject to an environment in which they did not feel able to give a candid assessment of the situation in Iraq and Syria, and sometimes reports seen as being too negative were sent back to analysts.
The analysts are now in a full "revolt," according to The Daily Beast. The work environment at Centcom is reportedly so bad that it has been described as "Stalinist." One source alleges that when they brought concerns to Centcom leadership, they were urged to retire, and some agreed to leave.

Questions remain about why Centcom officials have gone to such lengths to alter reports on the Islamic State - assuming The Daily Beast's report is accurate - when the picture painted by the media, independent analysts, and even some administration officials is convoluted at best and pessimistic at worst.
Some analysts seem to think that Centcom leaders are trying to further their career advancement by telling the administration what it wants to hear, according to The Daily Beast's sources.
A CENTCOM spokesman told Business Insider that it welcomes the inspector general's investigation.
"The IG has a responsibility to investigate all allegations made and we welcome and support their independent oversight. While we cannot comment on the specific investigation cited in the article, we can speak to the process. The Intelligence Community routinely provides a wide range of subjective assessments related to the current security environment," the spokesman said.
"These products and the analysis that they present are absolutely vital to our efforts, particularly given the incredibly complex nature of the multi-front fights that are ongoing now in Iraq and Syria. Senior civilian and military leadership consider these assessments during planning and decision-making, along with information gained from various other sources, to include the insights provided by commanders on the ground and other key advisors, intelligence collection assets, and previous experience. The multi-source nature of the assessment process purposely guards against any single report or opinion unduly influencing leaders and decision-makers."

In late July, the Associated Press reported that assessments by the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and others found that the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, is no weaker than it was when US bombing began in 2014.
"We've seen no meaningful degradation in their numbers," a defense official told the AP.
Meanwhile, John Allen, the retired Marine general coordinating the campaign against ISIS, said bluntly, "ISIS is losing," while speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in late July. At the same forum, FBI director James Comey sent a mixed message by calling ISIS "the threat that we're worrying about in the homeland most of all."
President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry contend that the US isn't losing the war against ISIS and that the militant group will be defeated with time.

In late July, the Associated Press reported that assessments by the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and others found that the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, is no weaker than it was when US bombing began in 2014.
"We've seen no meaningful degradation in their numbers," a defense official told the AP.
Meanwhile, John Allen, the retired Marine general coordinating the campaign against ISIS, said bluntly, "ISIS is losing," while speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in late July. At the same forum, FBI director James Comey sent a mixed message by calling ISIS "the threat that we're worrying about in the homeland most of all."
President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry contend that the US isn't losing the war against ISIS and that the militant group will be defeated with time.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/intelligence-analyst-isis-allegations-2015-9#ixzz3lNZP1Olr
 

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To what end?
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National security- this is basically how it works.

All the information disseminated down must be "mission accomplished" rather than "the terrorists are winning". The REAL analytics are eyes-only to a privileged few. every administration in the last 30 years has known they've got leaks. Best way to keep ahead of the media citing "sources" is to keep any potential "sources" misinformed.

A smart person might deduce, even in an information vacuum, that the mere fact we haven't "won" after decades of "boots on the ground" and "air supremacy" is evidence enough that insurrection continues, the guys driving around in Toyota pickups waving black flags should pretty much sum it up.

We proved during the Gulf War that we could fly a Patriot missile down the street and through a predetermined warehouse window. The technology of our drones is unsurpassed. But guys can drive around the ME waving AK-47's with relative impunity despite this. You do the math.
 
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