not how this is going to work after the decision it will be directed appealed to scotus. Where they will take it up because on January 11th when they said they want the second circuit to do there jobs and if they dont please bring it back to us and we will fix it. The oldest justice on the court is Clarence and hes only 74 there not getting a new court for a while.
Court Cases Against New York’s CCIA
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I think the second circuit is going to keep the stay based on standing. Its their only path to try and keep it. The state has been pushing the standing issue, and they do not have a valid argument to go against Bruen. That way they can say to the Liberals that they kept the stay, and let the Supreme Court lift it. Waiting to see what crazy laws Albany comes up with when the stay is lifted. At some point the Supreme court needs to step in to stop all the blue state nonsense with passing unconstitutional gun laws.
my predictions is they lift the stay on property and church and leave everything else for the supreme court. They know they need to do something and it was already proven they do have standing. If they didn't they would have said that on march 20th in court
I listened to the March 20th hearing and it seemed obvious that the judges did not read any of the injunction filings. Hopefully you are right.
im no mind reader or lawyer but lawyers such a mark smith and a few other said that the standing in the cases were not an issue. Could we be blindsided sure but i think the second circuit knows they need to throw each side a bone.I listened to the March 20th hearing and it seemed obvious that the judges did not read any of the injunction filings. Hopefully you are right.
Sadly, I think you are right.Their decision will be surgical and strategic. I think they will hold off as long as they can so SCOTUS is out or almost out of session and blow it out another 2 years until they get a “better” court.
Nothing whatsoever to do with constitution or civil rights.
I hope I’m wrong.
I’m so glad to be leaving this state and all this nonsense and going to South Carolina in just a few months. The only license needed there is for concealed carry. No permit required or hoops to jump through to own a handgun.
I think the powers that be in NY understand they are fighting a losing battle. If you have the means to leave by all means leave (I'm in Florida) but continue to support the battles still going on in states like NY and CA. I'm not ready to concede anything to Hochul or Newsom. I want to be able to travel back to NY and no be concerned with this sensitive places nonsense.
Has the church carry restrictions officially been lifted in NYS's attempt to moot the GOA case? Highlighted here:
It was added in the last state budget. A few very minor adjustments to the CCIA that still prevents those to carry inside a religious location unless designated security.Has the church carry restrictions officially been lifted in NYS's attempt to moot the GOA case? Highlighted here:
So how the hell do they expect a moot to happen if the restrictions are still valid?It was added in the last state budget. A few very minor adjustments to the CCIA still prevent those to carry inside a religious location unless designated security.
From signed Assembly Bill A3005C, modifying the CCIA provisions in 265.01-e, changes in CAPS:
2. For the purposes of this section, a sensitive location shall mean:
a)... b) ...
(c) any place of worship [or religious observation], EXCEPT FOR THOSE
PERSONS RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY AT SUCH PLACE OF WORSHIP;
The mooting could occur since the pastors of the suit (Niagara Falls pastor Jimmie Hardaway Jr ...) can designate themselves or have themselves designated as responsible for security. Since their particular situation has been addresses by Hochul's amendment, their case could be declared moot. Other more broader claims against CCIA could still stand.
2. For the purposes of this section, a sensitive location shall mean:
a)... b) ...
(c) any place of worship [or religious observation], EXCEPT FOR THOSE
PERSONS RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY AT SUCH PLACE OF WORSHIP;
The mooting could occur since the pastors of the suit (Niagara Falls pastor Jimmie Hardaway Jr ...) can designate themselves or have themselves designated as responsible for security. Since their particular situation has been addresses by Hochul's amendment, their case could be declared moot. Other more broader claims against CCIA could still stand.
These lawyers need to do whatever they have to, for long term. Anything, whatever it takes, to get the case past all the state and fed circuits. Once one of these hits SCOTUS…. Game over, man, game over.
what is killing me, is that they haven’t sought to go right back to scotus, as per their ‘invite’ already. 2nd circuit is just dragging a supposedly ‘expedidited’ case(s). F’em. Send it in, and twist.
what is killing me, is that they haven’t sought to go right back to scotus, as per their ‘invite’ already. 2nd circuit is just dragging a supposedly ‘expedidited’ case(s). F’em. Send it in, and twist.
Its a big stall game from the state. The seventh Circuit(Illinois) just did a similar thing. With the SCOTUS ( Amy) breathing down their neck, they decided to " accelerate" the hearing, now set for late June. By doing this, they hope that SCOTUS would not have to step in to lift the " no reason given" stay. They took a page from the second circuit. This is going to be a never ending battle with Albany. They will keep putting up road blocks against our rights.
Joe:Has the church carry restrictions officially been lifted in NYS's attempt to moot the GOA case? Highlighted here:
Only in part. The amendment to the CCIA allows designated security to carry within places of worship. The TROs, issued by Judges Suddaby and Sinatra, invalidated the restrictions, in total. The TROs are still being examined, by the 2nd Circuit Court and will be dealt with, in court, after their decision, regardless of what it is.
Gary
Gary, this amendment also addresses the Adirondack and Catskill Parks regarding private property within those areas. This was to moot the lawsuit.Joe:
Only in part. The amendment to the CCIA allows designated security to carry within places of worship. The TROs, issued by Judges Suddaby and Sinatra, invalidated the restrictions, in total. The TROs are still being examined, by the 2nd Circuit Court and will be dealt with, in court, after their decision, regardless of what it is.
Gary
Boosti:Gary, this amendment also addresses the Adirondack and Catskill Parks regarding private property within those areas. This was to moot the lawsuit.
Mooting may have been their intent but, as of now, there are still many more aspects of the CCIA, which will be tried, then tossed. After and regardless of what the 2nd Circuit's ruling states, on the TROs, we still have to go back, to a full trial, on all of the CCIA's content. If the 2nd Circuit supports any or all of the TROs, it will only make that full-blown trial shorter, as there will be fewer topics to litigate.
Gary
Another Victory out of New Jersey, from Federal District Court. Judge ruled most of the laws are likely unconstitutional.
Is there a date set yet for the full trial for Judge Suddaby on the whole CCIA?
The Supreme Court rejected to take the emergency application case in Illinois Assault Weapons Ban. This might be heading to the Supreme Court before any other state AWB challenge.
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