Just to make a point about certain misconceptions…. The most recent SCPD PLB questionaire form does not have a license type “Premises“. It does have a ”Dwelling” class, but it is far from what some seem to believe it is. Though it has been pointed out , that the State has no changes in the penal codes for this class description, SCPD has printed and published, that the “Dwelling” type is identical to the old “sportsman”. It’s a permit to keep a handgun , at your home for personal defense, to use at a range, and to carry afield , for hunting, with a valid hunting license.
The discussion goes into a lot more detail, in a thread “ Current SCPD PLB Questionaire”.
Current SCPD Questionaire App and directions
This is a screenshot, of the current questionaire, and the current license types. No “Premises” and the “Dwelling” is defined as the old “sportsman”.
You are confirming my argument, thank you.
You attached instructions for the current Suffolk
questionnaire (VERY recently updated, btw), which is
NOT the application for a NY pistol license. The NY Sate PPB-3 is the application for a pistol license in NY.
The issue is not whether "premise" or "dwelling" is the correct word. That is really irrelevant, but check out below for clarification. The issue is Suffolk County changing the classification of
existing pistol licenses to suit their folly (and the folly of politicians above them I would dare to guess). What you are posting is for brand new applicants.
I'll adjust my question in case you have a misconception: Who gave SCPD PLB the authority to change every
existing Sportsman license from a carry license to a
premise dwelling license? And why are you just accepting that?
SCPD PLB takes your questionnaire and, (after about 2 years these days) fills out the official NY State PPB-3 application for you, and tells you to check it for accuracy and sign it. And have your references sign it. And a PLB officer signs it. I do not know what they do today, but I can prove to anyone that as of earlier this year, they checked the "Carry Concealed" box, NOT the "Possess on Premises" box. On Monday evening, I saw and heard, first hand, Lt. Komorowski, the Commanding Officer of SCPD PLB, try to blow it off which box they checked by claiming a computer software inadequacy on their part. I suppose some of you might believe that too? This is a snip from my PPB-3. Notice which box is checked, and notice the word "Premises" in the box that is NOT checked. I'm not going to post my PPB-3 in its entirety for privacy reasons, as I'm sure you can understand, but I challenge those of you who had the foresight to make a copy of yours, to check it out for yourself.
The NY State PPB-3
application (not the bogus
questionnaire that SCPD PLB uses as their excuse to take ~2 years to act on a license that according to NY law should be acted on
inside of 6 months) does
not have the word "
Dwelling" on it, but it
does continue to have the word "Premises" on it. Download it here if you'd like,
Apply for a Firearms License , but I've attached a current copy for you (I downloaded it while typing this post).
I'm uptight about keeping copies and records for stuff like this. I have copies of the last version of the handbook (before they pulled it) that contradicts what SCPD PLB is saying nowadays, I have the instructions for the Questionnaire for when I filled it out, that very clearly show how it was impossible for an everyday person to apply for, never mind get, a "Self Protection (Full Carry)" License (those are Suffolk County's exact words, btw). At the end of the day, the documents prove that a Sportsman is a concealed carry license with a restriction. The restriction was based on "proper cause". That "proper cause" is now unconstitutional. People are allowing themselves to be manipulated, and some of you are proud of it, and encouraging others to allow themselves to be manipulated.
I am not trying to pick a fight with any individuals here. I am just angry, frustrated, and disgusted.