Carrying "Out-of-Class".

T.Webb said:

OK. So here's the question that was posed to me at an upstate range this weekend.

If you have a non-resident licence and you're caught carrying "LEGALLY" in a reciprocal state, and an over-zealous police officer were to contact the local licensing authority, do they have the right to pull the plug on your license ??

Officer Joe attitude then notifies Suffolk PD that you were carrying concealed in Ohio. Can/will Suffolk Pull your plug ??

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If you are "caught" carrying legally. What are they catching you doing? I also do not think the NY license matters much when you are carrying on your non-resident license.

I have a quick story about the fear of being "caught" carrying legally. Last month when I left my uncles house after deer hunting, I was carrying my Glock 26. My buddy had called me to tell me about his weekend hunting and to tell me he was heading home too.....(dont worry, I was using my blu-tooth).....as I neared the on-ramp I saw that the DEC was inspecting cars. I casually mentioned to my friend on the phone that I was pulling up to a DEC inspection point. He told me "Ohh, I just went thru one too, all they asked was if I had any weapons on me and were all my guns locked up".......................I panicked here I was with my Glock in my waistband......I didn't know what to do...everything raced thru my head all at once, then I thought "wait....I am 100% legal" so I pulled up the the stop rolled down the window and greeted the Officer with a "Good afternoon Officer" he just looked at me, smiled and waved me thru.

We are so conditioned to not being able to CCW that we are almost afraid to carry when we are allowed to.

T.Webb said:

OK. So here's the question that was posed to me at an upstate range this weekend.

If you have a non-resident licence and you're caught carrying "LEGALLY" in a reciprocal state, and an over-zealous police officer were to contact the local licensing authority, do they have the right to pull the plug on your license ??

Officer Joe attitude then notifies Suffolk PD that you were carrying concealed in Ohio. Can/will Suffolk Pull your plug ??

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If you are "caught" carrying legally. What are they catching you doing? I also do not think the NY license matters much when you are carrying on your non-resident license.

I have a quick story about the fear of being "caught" carrying legally. Last month when I left my uncles house after deer hunting, I was carrying my Glock 26. My buddy had called me to tell me about his weekend hunting and to tell me he was heading home too.....(dont worry, I was using my blu-tooth).....as I neared the on-ramp I saw that the DEC was inspecting cars. I casually mentioned to my friend on the phone that I was pulling up to a DEC inspection point. He told me "Ohh, I just went thru one too, all they asked was if I had any weapons on me and were all my guns locked up".......................I panicked here I was with my Glock in my waistband......I didn't know what to do...everything raced thru my head all at once, then I thought "wait....I am 100% legal" so I pulled up the the stop rolled down the window and greeted the Officer with a "Good afternoon Officer" he just looked at me, smiled and waved me thru.

We are so conditioned to not being able to CCW that we are almost afraid to carry when we are allowed to.

vmtcmt said:

I don't see how. If Ohio recognizes and reciprocity with FL and UT, how can Suffolk have any say in the matter? At that point, you are carrying on your FL and/or UT licenses, not your NY license, correct?

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

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vmtcmt pegged it. Your NY license will not be an issue and does not need to be presented. There is no reciprocity between Ohio and New York.

FWIW, in Ohio, you must carry and present your license (Ohio or reciprocal) and a second government issued ID like a driver's license if you are carrying concealed. If you are stopped for law enforcement purposes you must notify the officer immediately upon contact that you are carrying a concealed weapon, in or out of a motor vehicle. You must have no physical or gestured contact with your firearm during the presence of law enforcement and must comply with their instructions for the duration of the stop.

If you are carrying open in public, you are not required to have any license, other identification or notify but you must comply with officer instructions for the duration of the stop. However, you are not permitted to carry a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle, openly or concealed, without a valid concealed handgun license or a reciprocal CCW.

Most recommend handing your CHL or CCW over with your driver's license as well as using a voice recorder to clearly document your verbal notification.

vmtcmt said:

I don't see how. If Ohio recognizes and reciprocity with FL and UT, how can Suffolk have any say in the matter? At that point, you are carrying on your FL and/or UT licenses, not your NY license, correct?

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

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vmtcmt pegged it. Your NY license will not be an issue and does not need to be presented. There is no reciprocity between Ohio and New York.

FWIW, in Ohio, you must carry and present your license (Ohio or reciprocal) and a second government issued ID like a driver's license if you are carrying concealed. If you are stopped for law enforcement purposes you must notify the officer immediately upon contact that you are carrying a concealed weapon, in or out of a motor vehicle. You must have no physical or gestured contact with your firearm during the presence of law enforcement and must comply with their instructions for the duration of the stop.

If you are carrying open in public, you are not required to have any license, other identification or notify but you must comply with officer instructions for the duration of the stop. However, you are not permitted to carry a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle, openly or concealed, without a valid concealed handgun license or a reciprocal CCW.

Most recommend handing your CHL or CCW over with your driver's license as well as using a voice recorder to clearly document your verbal notification.

T.Webb said:

OK. So here's the question that was posed to me at an upstate range this weekend.

If you have a non-resident licence and you're caught carrying "LEGALLY" in a reciprocal state, and an over-zealous police officer were to contact the local licensing authority, do they have the right to pull the plug on your license ??

For example ... you get stopped in Ohio, and notify the officer you're carrying legally (or don't and the gun gets spotted). You now display your Non-Resident Pa/Fla/Utah license along with your New York credentials. Officer Joe attitude then notifies Suffolk PD that you were carrying concealed in Ohio. Can/will Suffolk Pull your plug ??

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I'm not a lawyer, and NONE of the following is to be taken as legal advice. But as far as this hypothetical situation is concerned:

A NY license is pretty much useless outside of NY, in all but the most permissive states. And aside from VT, none of them are particularly close. Reciprocity is only granted by a few others. So in the scenario you describe, your NY license is largely irrelevant. I wouldn't volunteer it at all, as it cannot help you. It's also worth noting that depending on where you are, simply being from NY may very well work against you. Try getting stopped by a local Barney Fife in West Viginia, and you'll see what I mean. I've also "vibed" out of more than a few places just by having NY license plates on my bike.

Just show your non-resident license that applies in the state in which you are carrying. Since that's the one giving you the right to carry in that particular state, I don't see how offering up a Nassau or Suffolk license can help your cause.

T.Webb said:

OK. So here's the question that was posed to me at an upstate range this weekend.

If you have a non-resident licence and you're caught carrying "LEGALLY" in a reciprocal state, and an over-zealous police officer were to contact the local licensing authority, do they have the right to pull the plug on your license ??

For example ... you get stopped in Ohio, and notify the officer you're carrying legally (or don't and the gun gets spotted). You now display your Non-Resident Pa/Fla/Utah license along with your New York credentials. Officer Joe attitude then notifies Suffolk PD that you were carrying concealed in Ohio. Can/will Suffolk Pull your plug ??

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I'm not a lawyer, and NONE of the following is to be taken as legal advice. But as far as this hypothetical situation is concerned:

A NY license is pretty much useless outside of NY, in all but the most permissive states. And aside from VT, none of them are particularly close. Reciprocity is only granted by a few others. So in the scenario you describe, your NY license is largely irrelevant. I wouldn't volunteer it at all, as it cannot help you. It's also worth noting that depending on where you are, simply being from NY may very well work against you. Try getting stopped by a local Barney Fife in West Viginia, and you'll see what I mean. I've also "vibed" out of more than a few places just by having NY license plates on my bike.

Just show your non-resident license that applies in the state in which you are carrying. Since that's the one giving you the right to carry in that particular state, I don't see how offering up a Nassau or Suffolk license can help your cause.