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Went over to LI Outdoorsman and to South Shore today. I was looking for pre-ban AR mags (you can stop laughing now), a Kel Tec Sub 2000 and/or a Hi-Point .40 or 45 carbine. No one had ANYTHING. I'm told that Hi-Point and Kel Tec are hard to come by when things are NOT this crazy. In fact, the guy at LI Outdoorsman (nice guy btw) told me he hasn't seen a Kel Tec Sub2K in his store in over a year. I find this incredibly hard to believe. Yet I posted two WTB ads and haven't had a single response. What gives?? I actually called Hi Point today about something unrelated and while I had the woman on the phone, I commented on the situation. Her response? They ship out 5,000 guns each and every Friday so while that's not a lot, she can't understand why none are showing up. You guys have any thoughts on where I can make my purchases? Or am I just a dog chasing my tail at this point?
 

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Between the holidays and looming AWB I think you are chasing your tail. Perhaps your best chance may be to start looking right after the stores open after xmas and before the AWB.
 

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Wow- how was it in that monastery?

I assume you just finished some sort of retreat that has kept you from seeing any newspapers/television/radio/internet.

Back in Novvember, President Obama was re-Elected, cuasing many to be concerned that anti-firearms laws will be coming soon.

Last week there was a horrible tragedy in a town called Newtown CT. A madman killed 20 children and 7 adults at an Elementary School.

As a result, we may be facing some serious restrictions on firearms ownership in the near future, so many people have been buying like crazy for the past week. In fact, I have heard it reported that toady set the record for most NICS checks in a single day, ever.

So being unable to find such things is hardly surprising
 
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I would try coliseum. If you are interested in a Hipoint in 9mm with the ATI stock, fake can and scope then shoot me a PM. Not giving anything away but would like to finance another purchase I need to make by 12/31.
 

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This article has some interesting insight to who's getting the guns, why and why prices are going up.

http://www.thetrutha...tioning-begins/

We've already seen some blatant, public-facing price increases on things like Magpul magazines. The "Now We Sell Firearms Now We Don't Now We Do" folks at CheaperThanDirt raised their prices from around $15 to $60 per magazine. According to our industry sources, considering the simple law of supply and demand, firearms and magazine prices will remain sky high for the foreseeable future. Distributors for brands such as Glock, Ruger, S&W and Magpul have begun eliminating ALL dealer discounts. They've also begun rationing entire brands of firearms and accessories, in some cases raising prices as much as 60 percent . . .

Dealers don't pay market prices. If they did there would be no profit for them and no reason to stay in business. Dealer pricing has historically been done based on the quantity of firearms a gun store buys. And depending on how well a retailer moves product, the distributors will cut them a better rate.

According to one source in the industry, at least one distributor is completely removing that process from their pricing of firearms and accessories. From the email that the distributor's customers received on Wednesday:

We have removed all pricing discounts from items in select categories. This will allow for all high-demand products to hit the marketplace at the same price.

Which is doublespeak for "screw you, we're charging what the market will bear no matter how much you sell." Higher prices for dealers means higher prices for consumers, with items like Colt firearms seeing the market price going up as much as 60 percent due to the removal of dealer pricing. And that's before they tack on any additional pricing element.

What makes it even harder for gun stores to get firearms and magazines in stock: in some cases, entire brands of firearms have been "allocated." Translation: they're being rationed out to the various gun dealers. This used to be done only with extremely high-demand firearms, but it now appears to be happening to entire brands. According to my source:

Set the time machine to a week ago. Allocated item - S&W Shield. Allocated item - Ruger SR1911. Allocated item - 10/22 Takedown. Allocated item - Springfield TRP.

This week? Allocated brand - Glock. Allocated brand - Magpul. Allocated brand - S&W.


This means that gun stores can't re-stock. And since they can't re-stock, the prices for existing items in inventory go sky-high. The reason for the rationing isn't necessarily that distributors are looking to hike the prices. It's more likely they're simply out of stock. Period.

Firearm makers in this country have been going 24/7 to keep up with demand ahead of Obama's re-election. Rifles that might be banned under a renewed AWB were already in short supply following a massive buying spree that happened around election day. Those rifles had only just started re-appearing in distributors' stocks when the shooting in Connecticut took place.

Now, after Dianne Feinstein outlined her bill, the entire supply chain is barren. The usual cushion of rifles that adorn distributor's warehouses are gone and they're shipping guns out as soon as they come in the door. Thanks to the potential of a new Assault Weapons Ban, manufacturers are going to be very hesitant to increase their production capabilities to meet demand for products that may be made illegal in the short to medium term.

That's bad news for consumers looking to buy a new gun in the coming month or two. The shortages won't end anytime soon. Current events will only push prices up higher as whatever is left in the pipeline dries up. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. And the only thing that will improve the situation is when all of the looming threats to the gun industry are resolved. One way or another.
 

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I had off yesterday so I hit literally every well known gunshop in Suffolk even bensons just to experience the panic buyer boom. Every one of them the shelves were empty minus bolt rifles and shotguns, best thing I saw was a few unconverted saigas.....oh and they were all packed to the max during a time you would think people would be at work lol.
 

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Sub2000s have been hard to get for years now. Kel Tec is a company that owed a lot of dealers guns even before O got re-elected and talk of an AWB. They are notoriously backlogged, so yeah, getting one now would be hard to find.

HiPoints are more common, they sell used through the country all the time, but in NY anything available goes for a premium.

Basically, you assessment of "can't find anything" will be the norm during this panic buy. Heck, USGI used mags that were selling for 8 bucks on ARFCOM are selling in free states for over $20. Cases or .223 which were under $400 a few weeks ago are selling for $700-800. Lowers are gone.

It is what it is.

BTW- if you are looking for PREBAN AR mags, those can be had at ARFCOM's equipment exchange. I've picked up a few dozen @ $25 (Center, Sanchez, Colt 30 rounders) and I've seen other LIF members there responding as well.
 

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Does anybody have a sense of weather it's mostly newbs or existing gun owners feathering their nests? The more newbs, the better.
 

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I had off yesterday so I hit literally every well known gunshop in Suffolk even bensons just to experience the panic buyer boom. Every one of them the shelves were empty minus bolt rifles and shotguns, best thing I saw was a few unconverted saigas.....oh and they were all packed to the max during a time you would think people would be at work lol.
where did you spot unconverted saiga?
 

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Im in the same boat, Ive called quite a few local shops for the hi point 9mm but most of them laughed when asked. I have heard that T&T had a hi point .40 last week, not sure if the still have it however. Captain Will pm me if you are interested in getting rid of that 9mm. Thanks
 

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It's the people who went out and stood in gas lines for four hours after the hurricane.
Poor analogy. Gasoline is both dangerous and finite in its storage. I for one had over 20 gallons in storage/rotation and was still waiting in lines to feed my neighbors generator after mine met a unfortunate death from salt water.

Interesting side note. Did my first full food shopping today since the storm. We have been living off what we had since it hit for the most part. 2 months and other than a few things we could have gone longer.
 

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There is too much money chasing too few guns up here.
Not everyone is Internet savvy.
You have to hit the older gun store owners in less wealthy areas of the country.
Do it the old school way we old car restorers find obscure parts.
 
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