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I remember, while stationed in San Diego from '80 to '83. It was a 5 day wait to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer - nothing more. On my 21st birthday there one of my buddies got me a Ruger Blackhawk in .357. That was my first handgun. San Francisco was the place to stay away from.

The only problem I ever had beside not being able to afford a gun was in K Mart one time. I got a new Marlin 336C for $175 but I had a time convincing the store manager I was a military resident stationed at NAS Miramar.

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http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/feb/16/california-tops-ranking-states-gun-control-laws/

California Tops Ranking of States for Gun Control Laws.Thursday, February 16, 2012

Jenny O'Mara, California Capitol Network

California has the strongest gun control laws in the country, according to an annual ranking of states by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. California scored eighty-one points out of a possible one-hundred. Amanda Wilcox is the Legislation and Policy Chair for the state Chapter of the Brady Campaign. She said the policy covering background checks on gun sales is notable, as are other rules limiting gun ownership.

"What is very unusual is that California also has a program by which we can remove guns, recover guns from people who have a gun and then subsequently become prohibited or dangerous," said Wilcox.

The national Brady organization also noted a new law that will require California to keep records on long gun purchases, in addition to records kept for handgun sales.

Other states placing high in the Brady Campaign rankings were New Jersey and New York. The lowest ranking states, with scores of "zero" were Alaska, Arizona and Utah.

In response to the Brady Campaign's report, the group Gun Owners of California said "these laws suppress the rights of law abiding gun owners, and criminals continue to be able to get whatever they want."

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I remember, while stationed in San Diego from '80 to '83. It was a 5 day wait to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer - nothing more. On my 21st birthday there one of my buddies got me a Ruger Blackhawk in .357. That was my first handgun. San Francisco was the place to stay away from.

The only problem I ever had beside not being able to afford a gun was in K Mart one time. I got a new Marlin 336C for $175 but I had a time convincing the store manager I was a military resident stationed at NAS Miramar.

Paul

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/feb/16/california-tops-ranking-states-gun-control-laws/

California Tops Ranking of States for Gun Control Laws.Thursday, February 16, 2012

Jenny O'Mara, California Capitol Network

California has the strongest gun control laws in the country, according to an annual ranking of states by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. California scored eighty-one points out of a possible one-hundred. Amanda Wilcox is the Legislation and Policy Chair for the state Chapter of the Brady Campaign. She said the policy covering background checks on gun sales is notable, as are other rules limiting gun ownership.

"What is very unusual is that California also has a program by which we can remove guns, recover guns from people who have a gun and then subsequently become prohibited or dangerous," said Wilcox.

The national Brady organization also noted a new law that will require California to keep records on long gun purchases, in addition to records kept for handgun sales.

Other states placing high in the Brady Campaign rankings were New Jersey and New York. The lowest ranking states, with scores of "zero" were Alaska, Arizona and Utah.

In response to the Brady Campaign's report, the group Gun Owners of California said "these laws suppress the rights of law abiding gun owners, and criminals continue to be able to get whatever they want."

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.......  i see this is working real well  in Oakland and LA.
 

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.......  i see this is working real well  in Oakland and LA.
 

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They give CA credit for microstamping even though it isn't being done.
 

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They give CA credit for microstamping even though it isn't being done.
 

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Does anyone have a corresponding list of states with high rates of violent crime for a comparison ?? I'd be willing to bet that NY and California will be high on that list as well.
 

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Does anyone have a corresponding list of states with high rates of violent crime for a comparison ?? I'd be willing to bet that NY and California will be high on that list as well.
 

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I'm not sure I would rely on anybody's statistics. I've learned some time ago that you can bend and twist anything to fit your view.

If anything I might check the CDC but I'm not sure I'd buy into what they say either.

Paul

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Does anyone have a corresponding list of states with high rates of violent crime for a comparison ?? I'd be willing to bet that NY and California will be high on that list as well.
 

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I'm not sure I would rely on anybody's statistics. I've learned some time ago that you can bend and twist anything to fit your view.

If anything I might check the CDC but I'm not sure I'd buy into what they say either.

Paul

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Does anyone have a corresponding list of states with high rates of violent crime for a comparison ?? I'd be willing to bet that NY and California will be high on that list as well.
 

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quoting Professor D"innocenzo at Hofstra, " statistics are like ladies of the evening, once you get them down you can do anything you want with them."
 

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quoting Professor D"innocenzo at Hofstra, " statistics are like ladies of the evening, once you get them down you can do anything you want with them."
 

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I'm not sure I would rely on anybody's statistics. I've learned some time ago that you can bend and twist anything to fit your view.

If anything I might check the CDC but I'm not sure I'd buy into what they say either.

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There are so many different ways you can categorize shooting incidents, you can make the data say whatever you want. e.g., legally/illegally owned, legally/illegally carried, intentional/accidental, suicides (both accidental and intentional), LEO shootings, PD/HD shootings, shootings where no one is hit, injuries, fatalities, etc. So, depending on whether the data is analyzed by the NRA or by an anti org group, you can get wild conflicts. There's also no standard for reporting and tracking state to state.

Look at the criteria that the Brady Bunch use to rank each state. It's a laundry list of what they think are "reasonable restrictions".
 

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lynyrd said:
I'm not sure I would rely on anybody's statistics. I've learned some time ago that you can bend and twist anything to fit your view.

If anything I might check the CDC but I'm not sure I'd buy into what they say either.

Paul
There are so many different ways you can categorize shooting incidents, you can make the data say whatever you want. e.g., legally/illegally owned, legally/illegally carried, intentional/accidental, suicides (both accidental and intentional), LEO shootings, PD/HD shootings, shootings where no one is hit, injuries, fatalities, etc. So, depending on whether the data is analyzed by the NRA or by an anti org group, you can get wild conflicts. There's also no standard for reporting and tracking state to state.

Look at the criteria that the Brady Bunch use to rank each state. It's a laundry list of what they think are "reasonable restrictions".
 

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Call me a conspiracy theorist but i do believe that the Brady Campaign is nothing more than an organization who is just growing wealthier and has found a nitch in the market to suck money out of people so that they can become wealthier.  They have to look legitimate so they have become the go to guys for all your gun date information against guns.  Funny thing is they are to the antis as the NRA is to us.
 

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Call me a conspiracy theorist but i do believe that the Brady Campaign is nothing more than an organization who is just growing wealthier and has found a nitch in the market to suck money out of people so that they can become wealthier.  They have to look legitimate so they have become the go to guys for all your gun date information against guns.  Funny thing is they are to the antis as the NRA is to us.
 
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