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Going off a facebook tip 11 men armed with handguns surrounded an AZ home at night demanding the man (who did not fit the 6'3" black man description) come out. Turns out they were at the wrong house and he was a Phoenix Police Chief. They had their guns drawn and would not leave the property despite explanation by the man.

One was arrested when police arrived.Brent Farley, 43, owner of Northstar Fugitive Recovery in Mesa, Ariz., was arrested and charged with criminal trespassing and disorderly conduct.

"There are a lot of things that went wrong here," Sgt. Crump said. "Not to mention the fact that they were refusing to leave his property."

Yikes. In AZ this could have ended with a bloodbath--which actually has happened before with aggressive bounty hunters in AZ. going off incorrect tips



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Would they be responsible for any proerty damage as well?
 

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Would they be responsible for any proerty damage as well?
It's a very controversial thing in AZ. Bail recovery agents have some lee-way in their laws (you can't execute "raids" in NY AFAIK),

Years ago, they raided the wrong address and there was a shootout that ended in the death of an old lady....cause if you're not a fugitive and a bunch of sketchy looking guys (they're usually Dog wannabes) raid your property, and you have a gun like most in the South West do, well you defend. I mean many home invasions include a team of thugs dressed up as delivery men, bounty hunters, whatever, so any law abiding gun owner is put in a predicament and you don't just trust some long haired yahoo banging on your door at midnight.

They often just run with tips like cowboys. In this case they raided a Police Chief's house going of an anonymous facebook tip. You think that address was a coincidence? Lot of these guys are just reckless, and it's a genuine concern for law abiding gunowners.
 

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In Arizona can these bounty hunters legally bust into your home? If so that seems like a huge recipe for trouble. Even if it is done in the street I would think this has disaster written all over it.
They can execute raids off of sketchy inte (they have sketchy bounty hunter rules in AZ) This case 11 guys were running around the home and backyard of a Police Chief with guns drawn at night, and refused to leave. Crazy.

Here is a case of AZ bounty hunters wearing ski masks barging into a house and killing a man and woman who did not know a fugitive.
As a gunowner you can imagine how crazy this could be to you and your family. And wrong raids happen quite a bit (since they do not need the same level of scrutiny as LE).

What would you do if guys bust into your home wearing ski masks at 4am and you're not a bad guy?

The bounty hunters, who wore body armor and ski masks, burst into the house at 4 A.M., held three children and another couple at gunpoint, then opened fire into a bedroom that Mr. Foote shared with Ms. Wright. Mr. Foote returned fire, wounding two of the attackers.
Mr. Foote later died of his wounds.
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They can execute raids off of sketchy inte (they have sketchy bounty hunter rules in AZ) This case 11 guys were running around the home and backyard of a Police Chief with guns drawn at night, and refused to leave. Crazy.

Here is a case of AZ bounty hunters wearing ski masks barging into a house and killing a man and woman who did not know a fugitive.
As a gunowner you can imagine how crazy this could be to you and your family. And wrong raids happen quite a bit (since they do not need the same level of scrutiny as LE).

What would you do if guys bust into your home wearing ski masks at 4am and you're not a bad guy?

http://www.nytimes.c...n-identity.html
"What would you do if guys bust into your home wearing ski masks at 4am and you're not a bad guy?"
BANG! BANG! BANG!
 

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They can execute raids off of sketchy inte (they have sketchy bounty hunter rules in AZ) This case 11 guys were running around the home and backyard of a Police Chief with guns drawn at night, and refused to leave. Crazy.

Here is a case of AZ bounty hunters wearing ski masks barging into a house and killing a man and woman who did not know a fugitive.
As a gunowner you can imagine how crazy this could be to you and your family. And wrong raids happen quite a bit (since they do not need the same level of scrutiny as LE).

What would you do if guys bust into your home wearing ski masks at 4am and you're not a bad guy?

http://www.nytimes.c...n-identity.html
That is really crazy. Do they even get a warrant? or does that not apply in AZ?
 

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What would you do if guys bust into your home wearing ski masks at 4am and you're not a bad guy
Well thank god we live in NY since the liberals think crime does not matter there is no need for bail.

But if I was in AZ I'd have Mister Kimber do my talking.
I've done repossessions before in NY and you can't carry a firearm Period (Not sure if that changed) and the Stuff get real real quick when you are repo'ing some dirt bags car at 3 am. You be surprised how these deadbeats hide their property or block in their cars.
 

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That is really crazy. Do they even get a warrant? or does that not apply in AZ?
If they are after someone.. there is a warrant for arrest ..... search warrant is for things ..arrest warrant is for people... but in these cases the bounty hunter generally works for the bail bondsman...he's the guy that ensured the court of your return ... so you sign the papers ..they bail you out ...if you skip ..they return you ..OR they are out the money they put up.

BTW ....an anonymous tip on face book just HAPPENED to be a police chief ...lol.... i don't think that's a coincidence... Not with SWATTING being in the urban dictionary.
 

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If they are after someone.. there is a warrant for arrest ..... search warrant is for things ..arrest warrant is for people... but in these cases the bounty hunter generally works for the bail bondsman...he's the guy that ensured the court of your return ... so you sign the papers ..they bail you out ...if you skip ..they return you ..OR they are out the money they put up.

BTW ....an anonymous tip on face book just HAPPENED to be a police chief ...lol.... i don't think that's a coincidence... Not with SWATTING being in the urban dictionary.
Yes, BUT...the controversy is that they execute raids without search warrants on potential properties that are not owned by the fugitive. They really just run with the tips. They're not really supposed to wandering on private property on just a tip like Dog the Felon --"Hey brah, I heard Tonki was hanging out here. I'm just going to come in and search your place brah."

Think of this case. 11 guys --11--with guns drawn and flashlights running around a house at night, in the backyard, pickup truck blocking the garage, and no search warrant. Loaded guns drawn. Oops wrong house. And it's the police chief!

I also posted a story link up-thread were bounty hunters in AZ busted into a house with ski masks at 4am. Wrong guy and he got killed (children in the house.

But in many cases they have more leeway than the police! In AZ they seem more "cowboy" with it and it's led to many cases like this including shootouts and deaths.
The bail bond contract gives bounty hunters the right to enter the home of a fugitive, but only after establishing without a doubt that the person lives there. They cannot enter the homes of friends or family members to look for the fugitive.

Some states require that bounty hunters be licensed; other states require that bounty hunters register with them. Only a handful of states -- Kentucky, Illinois and Oregon -- prohibit bounty hunters entirely from making bail arrests. In these states, bounty hunters need to have a court order. Then, the judge will usually order the local police to arrest the fugitive, and the bounty hunter can request that the prisoner be remanded into his or her custody.
Here is some law on the matter in AZ (they do not need warrants!) The problem occurs when they run with false info regarding people that have nothing to do with the fugitives.

As opined in Taylor v. Taintor, and barring restrictions dictated by the state in which the bounty hunter is operating, a bounty hunter can enter the fugitive's private property without a warrant in order to execute a re-arrest.
 

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But in many cases they have more leeway than the police! In AZ they seem more "cowboy" with it and it's led to many cases like this including shootouts and deaths.

Here is some law on the matter in AZ (they do not need warrants!) The problem occurs when they run with false info regarding people that have nothing to do with the fugitives.
I don't have a problem with the law being set up this way. But it should also include a provision that locks up the bounty hunter for a LONG time if they enter the wrong property. The consequences need to be so severe that they don't ever make this mistake. Where they are willing to let the perp get away if there is any doubt about the information.
 
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