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I think I read you cannot use the program to expand. You must move your entire company into one of the designated economic zones.
 

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driving through upstate and seeing the empty factories, collapsing warehouses, abandoned supermarkets etc. its sad that more upstate people are not more upset
 

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lol even with no taxes the costs to produce goods and the labor unions/cost of living in NY is so stupid it makes no sense to relocate your business here.
 

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All I can say is I'd rather see that money go up in flames and at least make governor douchebag look bad then have that money go into the unSafe funding. But there should be an investigation into that by our good friend Bharara, that's an insane amount of taxpayer money to blow on absolutely nothing other than a glorified promo ad.
 

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I wouldn't even have my kids open up a lemonade stand here.
 

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driving through upstate and seeing the empty factories, collapsing warehouses, abandoned supermarkets etc. its sad that more upstate people are not more upset
It's true. Seeing the poll numbers a lot of people turned out to vote FOR Cuomo. If the Upstate vote was as lopsided as the NYC Vote we may have had a Astorino Victory.
 
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It's true. Seeing the poll numbers a lot of people turned out to vote FOR Cuomo. If the Upstate vote was as lopsided as the NYC Vote we may have had a Astorino Victory.
i have lots of close friends that live upstate whom i go visit to hunt on their land often. i had to push them non stop to go vote. they all just felt that it did not matter because of NYC if they voted or not. guess they been crushed too many times
 

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It didn't matter if they voted or not. Astorino won more than a large majority outside of the 5 boros - He won Suffolk, barely lost Nassau (IIRC) and most of upstate with the exception of the major cities (Albany, Buffalo I believe and a small handful of others - Astorino won.

The boros should not decide the direction of the entire state!
 

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Since the majority rules, how would you change that? 51 percent can dictate to the other 49.

Now if we were to ban voting by anyone who's on permanent public assistance and has never held a real job, then maybe, just maybe there would be a chance for change in this s#itty state.
 

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It didn't matter if they voted or not. Astorino won more than a large majority outside of the 5 boros - He won Suffolk, barely lost Nassau (IIRC) and most of upstate with the exception of the major cities (Albany, Buffalo I believe and a small handful of others - Astorino won.

The boros should not decide the direction of the entire state!
He didn't win it to the extent NYC did. NYC was like 80/20 Cuomo. Everywhere else it was like 60/40 Astorino. If Astorino had an 80/20 split upstate and the 60/40 split on LI we may have been seeing multiple recounts and a new Governor.
 

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I'll do the math. 211 MILLION dollars, divided by the ENTIRE population of NY. that would give 10 bucks to every nys resident. THAT would be better then what they spent it on.
 

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An audit to be released Monday by state Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli raises "real doubts'' about the value of Gov. Cuomo's $200 million-plus "Start Up NY'' advertising campaign to attract businesses to the state, The Post has learned.
The widely anticipated audit of the 1½-year-old program comes just a month after the Cuomo administration conceded the Start Up program, touted by the governor as a "game changer'' for the state, had created only 76 jobs in 2014.
The new audit found that the massive national television advertising campaign for the Start Up tax-reduction program did virtually nothing to generate interest among businesses in coming to New York, a source familiar with the findings told The Post.
"The audit found that even though a significant amount of money was spent on Start Up NY advertising, the advertising did not increase the number of applications for the Start Up program,'' said the source.
"The audit reveals real doubts about whether the advertising results can justify the costs that were involved.''.
The audit, nearly a year in preparation by DiNapoli, is expected to provoke an angry response from fellow Democrat Cuomo, who has repeatedly claimed the program would generate thousands of jobs in financially hard-pressed areas of the state.
A wide range of critics, including Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino, the Republican gubernatorial candidate against Cuomo last year, have called the Start Up program a waste of money and accused the governor of using it to boost his popularity.
They also charged that a large number of the commercials began appearing on New York television stations in the months leading up to the gubernatorial campaign.
The program, which was run by BBDO USA, a major national advertising firm, started out with a $50 million price tag but then was ratcheted up four times, with a final cost of more than $200 million, which includes the TV advertising.
Cuomo claimed last week that he had "nothing to do'' with Glenwood Management Corp., the controversial, influence-seeking company controlled by Manhattan real-estate mogul Leonard Litwin that has been cited in the federal corruption charges brought last week against Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos (R-Nassau) and in January against then-Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan).
But that doesn't appear to be Glenwood's view of things.
"They are a donor of mine. They are a donor of many elected officials . . . and that's basically the interaction. I've had nothing to do, except they've been political supporters of mine,'' Cuomo told reporters in Syracuse.
However, the most recent lobbying records filed with the Joint Commission on Public Ethics show that Litwin's Glenwood, a major beneficiary of real-estate tax incentives, which has directly or indirectly contributed more than $1 million to Cuomo's campaigns, was lobbying the governor's office at least as recently as February.
The records reveal that Glenwood hired Mark L. Lieberman for $15,000 in January and February to lobby the "NYS Assembly, NYS Governor's office and its agencies & authorities, NYS Senate.''
Cuomo backtracked on another aspect of his relationship with Glenwood late last week, conceding that he had "forgotten'' about three meetings he had with Litwin and the company's top officials in 2011.
Republicans are looking to an upstate Democrat as a possibly tie-breaking vote this week to keep the state Senate in GOP hands amid the chaos resulting from the imminent replacement of scandal-scarred Senate leader Skelos.
As a result of the illness of Sen. Tom Libous of Binghamton, the Republicans may be one vote short of the 32 votes needed to pick Skelos' replacement, but an extra vote could come from Democratic Sen. David Valesky of Syracuse, GOP insiders told The Post.
Valesky has a close relationship with Finance Committee Chairman John DeFrancisco, who also represents Syracuse, and "could make a strong case that having DeFrancisco as the majority leader would enormously benefit his region,'' said a Senate GOP source.
DeFrancisco, as The Post disclosed last week, is battling Sen. John Flanagan (R-Suffolk) to become Skelos' replacement.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/11/audit-exposes-wasted-effort-in-cuomos-start-up-program/
 

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I'll do the math. 211 MILLION dollars, divided by the ENTIRE population of NY. that would give 10 bucks to every nys resident. THAT would be better then what they spent it on.
Your math is faulty. Half those residents don't pay any taxes or receive government cheese. It's like $25 bucks for each New Yorker that holds a job and pays taxes.
 
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