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Appeals court strikes down parts of DC's gun laws

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WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal appeals court has struck down as unconstitutional parts of Washington, D.C.'s gun laws.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled 2-1 Friday that the city cannot require gun owners to re-register a gun every three years, make a gun available for inspection or pass a test about firearms laws. The court also struck down a ban on registering more than one pistol per month.

The court upheld other parts of the law, such as requiring gun owners to be fingerprinted and photographed and to complete a safety training course.

The District of Columbia passed the laws after a landmark 2008 Supreme Court decision that struck down a ban on handguns in the District of Columbia.

A federal judge had previously upheld the registration laws.
 

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Who cares! According to what I've read on this forum, a court can not reverse a law! NY SAFE limited us non-LEO citizens to seven rounds - A judge threw it out as arbitrary and put the law back to ten rounds - state police were told tonot enforce the seven round limit - yet from what I read here we are still held to seven! So what's up with these court decisions? Just because a state law was ruled on in the western district - the ruling must hold for the entire state - if every locale had to fight it seperate there would be fragmented state laws that changed every time you cross a town and county line. So why wait around for court decisions if what they rule doesn't apply anyway if it works in our favor? What do we have to do, wait for the progressive socialist legislature to approve the court ruling? I fugured seven went to ten with the court ruling - from what I read here - not so!
 

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A test about the law??
Ya know, in NY, LE must pass a written test about use of force, including/especially deadly force, every year and the passing grade is 100%. I don't think it's so bad for people who own firearms to know the law, as long as the tests are not rigged so no one can pass. I think every gun owner should know the laws that govern the use of firearms, particularly for the defense of themselves and others. How many times have you heard about a house being "robbed"? NYSPL mentions robbery as one condition for the use of deadly force, but one can't "rob" a house. How may think they can use deadly force to apprehend a "fleeing felon"? BAD idea. When MUST you retreat and when may you 'stand your ground'? On a different topic, if a US Court of Appeals ruled that DC cannot require a firearm to be made available for inspection or re-register every 3 years, how does that bear upon current NYS law (and PLB rules)?
 

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Who cares! According to what I've read on this forum, a court can not reverse a law! NY SAFE limited us non-LEO citizens to seven rounds - A judge threw it out as arbitrary and put the law back to ten rounds - state police were told tonot enforce the seven round limit - yet from what I read here we are still held to seven! So what's up with these court decisions? Just because a state law was ruled on in the western district - the ruling must hold for the entire state - if every locale had to fight it seperate there would be fragmented state laws that changed every time you cross a town and county line. So why wait around for court decisions if what they rule doesn't apply anyway if it works in our favor? What do we have to do, wait for the progressive socialist legislature to approve the court ruling? I fugured seven went to ten with the court ruling - from what I read here - not so!
Seven went to 10 in the jurisdiction in which the court that made that decision has authority. This state has more than one district with jurisdiction. Is that really so complicated to understand?
 

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Ya know, in NY, LE must pass a written test about use of force, including/especially deadly force, every year and the passing grade is 100%. I don't think it's so bad for people who own firearms to know the law, as long as the tests are not rigged so no one can pass. I think every gun owner should know the laws that govern the use of firearms, particularly for the defense of themselves and others. How many times have you heard about a house being "robbed"? NYSPL mentions robbery as one condition for the use of deadly force, but one can't "rob" a house. How may think they can use deadly force to apprehend a "fleeing felon"? BAD idea. When MUST you retreat and when may you 'stand your ground'? On a different topic, if a US Court of Appeals ruled that DC cannot require a firearm to be made available for inspection or re-register every 3 years, how does that bear upon current NYS law (and PLB rules)?
Comparing a test for an employee that one must pass to maintain employement to exercising a constitutional right is laughable.
 

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Ya know, in NY, LE must pass a written test about use of force, including/especially deadly force, every year and the passing grade is 100%. I don't think it's so bad for people who own firearms to know the law, as long as the tests are not rigged so no one can pass. I think every gun owner should know the laws that govern the use of firearms, particularly for the defense of themselves and others. How many times have you heard about a house being "robbed"? NYSPL mentions robbery as one condition for the use of deadly force, but one can't "rob" a house. How may think they can use deadly force to apprehend a "fleeing felon"? BAD idea. When MUST you retreat and when may you 'stand your ground'? On a different topic, if a US Court of Appeals ruled that DC cannot require a firearm to be made available for inspection or re-register every 3 years, how does that bear upon current NYS law (and PLB rules)?
Would that be for all firearms owners or just those firearms deemed "evil"?
 
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Add to that, and more important IMO than knowledge of the law, is firearms safety training. As far as 'whom': Depends on your interpretation. For me, NO firearm is evil, there are only evil people who mis-use them. For Comrade Andy, Mullah Barak and Czarina-designate Hillary ALL firearms are evil. I guess that training would be a potential benefit to all firearms owners by either measure. Seriously, I wish that in our litigious society it was practical to be able to offer this type of training to every firearms owner who has any interest in obtaining that knowledge, but the likely risk to the provider of said information, IMHO, is enormous.
 

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Comparing a test for an employee that one must pass to maintain employment to exercising a constitutional right is laughable.
I don't agree with 'laughable'; you do make an interesting point, but I was trying to suggest a standard we might wish to adopt to insure responsible exercise of that right. They (LE) are required to employ force responsibly and legally, so they are required to maintain a current knowledge of the law as it pertains to use of force. A civilian firearms owner, particularly a CCW holder, is also required to employ force responsibly and legally if they should elect to use force. I don't see where it's so bad if firearms owners are familiarized with the laws, as long as it is not used as a vehicle to deprive anyone of their constitutional rights. And I was suggesting 'training' not 'testing' for the average civilian; you can have your firearm, but you are strongly encouraged to learn the applicable law. Unfortunately, the history of most training that has been associated with the right of firearms ownership has been gross abuse of that training in order to subvert the legal exercise of the 2A.
 

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Being "encouraged" to become familiarly is much different from a requirement to learn and demonstrate a height of proficiency in order to exercise your rights.

As a foot note, a quick Google search shows the the NYS bar exam is 'only' 250 questions over the course of two days. There is no "pass" or "fail" based on correct answers much less 100%; it's a weighted score.
 
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Being "encouraged" to become familiarly is much different from a requirement to learn and demonstrate a height of proficiency in order to exercise your rights.

As a foot note, a quick Google search shows the the NYS bar exam is 'only' 250 questions over the course of two days. There is no "pass" or "fail" based on correct answers much less 100%; it's a weighted score.
Agreed, and it was not my intention to suggest that the height of proficiency should be expected/demanded; rather, I was trying to illustrate one end of the spectrum (that height of knowledge and proficiency) and suggesting that the opposite extreme (zero knowledge, zero training) might be less than desirable. As far as lawyers/the bar, for the most part if they get it wrong they get paid anyway, and then paid again to do it over, and over (my apologies to any lawyer-type forum members)...... if one is using a firearm, IMHO, it's important to get it right the first time, so I guess we firearms owners hold ourselves to a higher standard than most. I could segue to a couple of 'lawyer jokes', but the only ones who are likely to read it here are not the ones who engender the stereotypes.
 

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Ya know, in NY, LE must pass a written test about use of force, including/especially deadly force, every year and the passing grade is 100%

Question asked with respect. Where did you find that ? F.I.L. is retired from SCPD DAs office . Qualifies once a year. Never said anything about a test.
Also Cousin NYPD OCCB Queens Narc. Told me tons of great stories about the range and Fun house. Never said anything about a test. Just asking
 

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Seven went to 10 in the jurisdiction in which the court that made that decision has authority. This state has more than one district with jurisdiction. Is that really so complicated to understand?
I think the problem is that a jurisdictional court can nullify a state law... but the remaining jurisdictions must abide by it.... to me that sounds like dividing by potato.
 

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Ya know, in NY, LE must pass a written test about use of force, including/especially deadly force, every year and the passing grade is 100%.
Nope. There's no NYS DCJS requirement for an officer to take an annual DPF test as a condition to maintain employment or certification as a police officer. A DPF test is required as a recruit and you do need 100% to pass. Maybe you're aware of some agency that requires it? Within the constraints of labor contracts and agreed upon conditions maybe some agencies do this. I've never heard of on here on LI. But NYS DCJS(who sets the standards for training and certification has no such requirement..

Nor is a LEO required to qualify on their weapon annually. Once as a recruit and once at some point in their career is all NYS DCJS requires. Most departments do as it just makes good sense. You want PO's hitting what they aim at and it makes for good liability/risk management when an officer obtains a passing score annually. NYPD does 2x a year. NCPD does once a year. Nassau's is a compulsion of the labor contract that gets the patrol cops to the range once a year. If not for the contract no one would be required to go.
 
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