Any carry permits issued yet?

Sig45 said:

i agree but i have nothing to hide i did the inconvenient part of doing the class and live fire. Also evey 3 years you dont have to re do the class just a live fire Qualification which is hitting a target at 4 yards 5 times. Extremely easy if u cant do that you should be carrying

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Based on what I’ve heard from lawyers and police officers numerous people get charged and convicted who thought they had nothing to hide. At this point, with the interview and social media disclosure requirements, you have no concrete idea what they are looking for. These requirements are a violation of your 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment rights. We should not be consenting to give up one right to exercise another.

Sig45 said:

Yes i agree but this will be challenging in court. Also yes i do i talked to an office today who told me you will have to give you social media and maybe an update on marital status or domestic partnership. Cool you can have mu snap chat enjoy it lol. And i dont know any law abiding citizens just getting arrested and charged with crimes.

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You live a shelter life. Law abiding citizens get arrested and some convicted, some that have thought prior “I have nothing to hide”. Again, you should not have to give up one right to enjoy another.

Sig45 said:

i dont you live a paranoid one and also very pessimistic. No ones getting arrested if you follow the rules i think you making up Scenarios in your mind to be honest

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I'm neither paranoid or pessimistic. You are naive. Do you know who Kyle Rittenhouse is? How about George Zimmerman? Do a little research on wrongful convictions overturned by DNA evidence or people arrested that were not convicted because they were unlawfully arrested. There are people that have spent years in prison on wrongful convictions.

Beyond that there is a reason subjective standards (judgement of character based on social media comments) are unconstitutional. It leaves licensing up to the whim and bias of the licensing official. What is acceptable today can be objectionable tomorrow.

Sig45 said:

they were both Acquitted you said people were getting convicted. lol

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Go back and read your post. You said no law abiding citizen gets arrested and charged. Totally false statement. Talk to any lawyer worth their retainer and they will tell you NEVER interact with the police under the assumption you have nothing to hide. Always exercise your forth and fifth Amendment rights.

32989 said:

first off i think it is dumb for them to collect social media. Second its only for 3 years back. And i have only had snap chat never had facebook or instagram i also bearly use it. I have already giving them character references my first go around so they already know all about me. I hope it dose get overturned i think is very invasive but i will jump threw all of there hoops. Already did the class handed in my certificate now on to the interview ill keep yall posted when i get a call

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You’re missing the point. You should not have to give up one Constitution right to exercise another. Since we have no idea what they are looking when viewing social media accounts no one can say with certainty “I have nothing to hide”. Beyond that this “unrestricted” license to carry is SEVERELY restricted giving all the sensitive places in effect. And this issue extends far beyond YOU. No one should have to share private information and get the o.k. from four other individuals to exercise their fundamental 2nd Amendment rights. That usurpation of rights is only acceptable to those ignorant of their rights as an American citizen.

Peconic Paladin said:

It sounds like he understands that, doesn't accept it, and isn't missing the point.

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If that's the case he is part of the problem.

sig45 said:

you can carry plenty of places and more to come. If u live in the city then i agree. No way in hell are they getting rid of training plenty of other states have the same training requirements. im happy i got it done so when they do open up the sensitive location i already have my card

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The fact that other states have a training requirement means nothing post Bruen. The test of Constitutionality is text, history and tradition, not what other states have. The training requirement will be challenged and in my opinion will not survive the new level of scrutiny.

sig45 said:

i hope your right honestly. But i personally didn't feel like waiting and in my opinion it will be left in. The fact that it wasn't in 53 pages of the judge's order makes me think this way.

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The judge only questioned things that in his mind were clearly unconstitutional. He stayed away from anything that might be controversial.

You have a lot of pro 2A folks that have conflated the benefits of training with what is Constitutional. Again, the standard is text, history and tradition at the time the Bill of Rights was ratified. No such training requirement existed.

I'm 100% for training but not as a condition to exercise a fundamental right. What should motivate people to train is a clear understanding that they will be held fully responsible for every round they fire from a weapon. You could lose everything financially and your freedom if you misuse a firearm. Ranges could make a condition for using their range that the person has to take some type of training course. Maybe others have suggestions on how to promote training but I'm against government mandated training. It's 16 hours this year, 40 hours next year and continues down that path.

Captrn000 said:

CCW issued 1/9/23….. only have to fill out a form of social media accounts who lives with you in and out in 10 minutes… Of course no place to carry because they provide you the list of sensitive places and tell you that there’s no place to carry

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A court in NJ of all places just smashed the sensitive place legislation their governor signed into law. The judge actually use the NY case to support the claim that the NJ law was unconstitutional. I really hope the Supreme Court will spank the NY court for not allowing the TRO to take affect.

Beretta said:

Let's say they drop the training requirements in 6 months which is unlikely, everybody handing in an amendment at once...lol They will drag that out for years...

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I don't think this is going to be dragged out for years. NYS gave the Supreme Court the middle finger by passing the CCIA. The law isn't just some highly nuisanced interpretation of Bruen but an in your face rebuke of the SCOTUS decision. Similar attempts at ignoring the Bruen decision and rulings applying or ignoring provisions of the decision are occurring all over the country. These challenges to Bruen are going to quickly get back to SCOTUS for a smack down. You had a ruling by the 5th Court of Appeals that 18 USC 922(g)(8) is unconstitutional given the Bruen decision (denial of 2A rights as a result of a civil restraining order). My guess is many of the provisions of the CCIA are going to be struck down by state courts and others that survive will be quickly struck down by the Supreme Court.

Beretta said:

I was implying once the training is dropped with everyone applying for a ammendment at once the SCPLB will drag out the 5 dollars ammendment process for years being that is currently up to 5-6 months waiting period already with the training.....

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I total misunderstood your comment. That said the ability to drag out the process is also going to be challenged and I think challenged in short order. A process that requires a year or more to exercise a fundamental Constitutional right isn't going to survive post Bruen. The default position is you have the right to keep and bear arms. I don't see the courts uphold a process that delays that right for a year remaining in place. Even the NY penal law says 6 months.

Beretta said:

I was implying once the training is dropped with everyone applying for a ammendment at once the SCPLB will drag out the 5 dollars ammendment process for years being that is currently up to 5-6 months waiting period already with the training.....

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I totally misunderstood your comment. That said the delay tactics that deny a fundamental right for over a year is not going to stand post Bruen. Even NY penal law says 6 months. The default position is you have the right to bear arms. This is a critical safety issue and delay by the government won't stand higher scrutiny. As other have the training requirement itself is on shaky ground post Bruen.

Grupet said:

On another note... I just got my non resident Concealed Weapon or Firearm license of Florida.
I applied less than a month ago Never lived or had a license in Florida before so am new in the system.
Less than a month. It's crazy.
In Suffolk it took me 2 years to get my sportsman license and I've so far waited 2 month for my carry license (they said 5-6 month).

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There are folks that are in a panicking because Florida just passed permitless concealed carry. Other states have had permitless carry for years. No bloodbath. On the other hand the news media will highlight every incident of some crazy going off with a firearm but totally ignore the tens of thousands of justified uses of firearms for self-defense. Bad people do bad things with firearms, cars, hammers, knives, baseball bats, etc. but firearms get singled out as the evil inanimate object that needs to be banned.