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Why do they have to use the term "Assault Rifles"? If I assault somebody with a BIC pen does it become and 'Assault Pen"? Sounds like someone knew they had a gun collection and wanted to expand their own. Shots to the head?

Assault rifles missing after 2 men found shot execution style in South Hill residence
Various weapons were also found inside the residence

10:42 p.m. PDT, May 29, 2012
SOUTH HILL -
Two men were found dead in a South Hill home Monday in a double homicide, said Ed Troyer of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department. Both men were shot in the head, execution style, and investigators say a half dozen assault rifles and handguns are missing from the scene.

The victims have been identified as Jeffrey Poling, 36, of Spanaway and Travis Dennis, 32, of Puyallup. The Pierce County Medical Examiner said on Tuesday that the cause of death was homicide.

The victims' bodies were found in the same room by the father of one of the victims, who arrived at the house on 175th Street Court East about 9 a.m. In addition to the weapons, a computer is missing from the home.

There did not appear to be a struggle before the shooting, investigators said.

"There are two things at play here," Troyer said. "These are acquaintances of the victims or they let them in knowingly without any type of struggle because the shooting occurred in the back room and it doesn't look like there was a big fight or anything that occurred."

The bodies were found lying side by side in a back room. Exotic, high-powered weapons including an AK-47 and AR-15 were missing from the scene.

"There are ballistic vests, lots of weapons, ammo, gun cases laying around the living room and other parts of the house," Troyer said.

The investigation is only just beginning, Troyer added. It is clear, however, that the victims were very good friends, and that the home was rented by Dennis from his father. Poling was described as a gun enthusiast who spent a lot of time at the range.

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http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-2-bodies-found-in-puyallup-home-20120528,0,1399308.story
 

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Exotic, high-powered weapons including an AK-47 and AR-15 were missing from the scene.
I guess a lot of us have *very exotic* collections then.

"There are ballistic vests, lots of weapons, ammo, gun cases laying around the living room and other parts of the house," Troyer said.
Not to make light of a tragic event, but LIF member?

Seriously, imagine the media spin if they ever got a chance to check out your collection? I guess the non-existence of a true gun culture downstate will always have that spin.
I was at a bbq recently and showed some pics on my camera of some of my toys, and my friends white-collar cubicle working buddy was: "What are you in law enforcement? Why do you have that?". When I lived in the mid-west the normal reaction would be "Cool."
 

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I guess a lot of us have *very exotic* collections then.

Not to make light of a tragic event, but LIF member?

Seriously, imagine the media spin if they ever got a chance to check out your collection? I guess the non-existence of a true gun culture downstate will always have that spin.
I was at a bbq recently and showed some pics on my camera of some of my toys, and my friends white-collar cubicle working buddy was: "What are you in law enforcement? Why do you have that?". When I lived in the mid-west the normal reaction would be "Cool."
Gun ownership can be very misunderstood. Either they get it or it invokes a knee-jerk fear reaction and a sideways glance!
 

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has there ever been mention of a low powered rifle in the news?
 

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has there ever been mention of a low powered rifle in the news?
Anything that goes BANG is a high powered rifle as far as the media is concerned.
To be shot "execution style", at least according to the media, you must have been up to no good....
 

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I'm all for truth when it comes to reporting. For me, "Rifles" would suffice but with all due respect, I think the AK47 and AR15 are "Assault rifles", are they not?
Both were created as military weapons, not target or hunting weapons. Granted, they are versatile but Assault Rifles nonetheless.
If you put two infant car seats in the back seat of a Corvette, is it suddenly no longer a "Sports car"? ;)
 

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I did love this the best,"Exotic, high-powered weapons including an AK-47 and AR-15 were missing from the scene."

An AK-47 is exotic by the text book definition. It means not native to this land. So the AR is not exotic then. Maaybe they meant rare or special? Well you can find AKs in just about every country in the world and is one of the most produced firarms in history.

How would they react to this kid of spin?:
"Utilitarian short range rifles, one of them similar to a .22 caliber in bullet size were missing from the scene."
 

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It's journalism, your story sounds much more important and exciting if you say 'exotic high-powered weapons' and 'assault rifles', as opposed to just 'semi-auto rifles'. What do you expect, the truth? All the facts straight, with no embellishment? Technically an AR-15 or civilian AK aren't assault weapons, because they lack full auto. They're just magazine fed semi-autos. I guess my collection would be considered some sort of terrorist training setup, with the airsoft guns and real equivalents, and boxes of ammo stacked up (which reminds me, I need to get more boxes of ammo to stack up).

As for the event itself, sounds like something is going on; they knew the victims, took some of the guns, but left ammo and armor behind?
 

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I'm all for truth when it comes to reporting. For me, "Rifles" would suffice but with all due respect, I think the AK47 and AR15 are "Assault rifles", are they not?
Both were created as military weapons, not target or hunting weapons. Granted, they are versatile but Assault Rifles nonetheless.
If you put two infant car seats in the back seat of a Corvette, is it suddenly no longer a "Sports car"? ;)
"Exotic, high-powered weapons including an AK-47 and AR-15 were missing from the scene."

Exotic? Really? The AR-15 is currently one of the most popular shooting platforms in the entire nation (someone familiar to gun culture would know that and I feel that the "OMG an assualt rifle right here" mentality plays into a lot of the NY based spin, when reporters live their entire lives without seeing guns in a legal context). If they meant exotic as "foreign", as mentioned upstream then the AR is domestic and popular, so that is confusing as well. I would also take exception to calling an AK "exotic". And "high-powered weapons" is as redundant as "really fast sports car".

Clearly the wording, rather than being used as descriptive or informative is highly sensationalistic.
 

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scottzilla said:
I'm all for truth when it comes to reporting. For me, "Rifles" would suffice but with all due respect, I think the AK47 and AR15 are "Assault rifles", are they not?
Both were created as military weapons, not target or hunting weapons. Granted, they are versatile but Assault Rifles nonetheless.
If you put two infant car seats in the back seat of a Corvette, is it suddenly no longer a "Sports car"? ;)
Well, I guess you'd have to know if they actually met the Federal definition for "assault rifle" or if they were "assault style rifles", but I think that is really a lot to ask of a reporter- glad to see they were not referred to as "automatic weapons" this time.

You would not believe how many technologically clueless individuals post pictures of their gun collections, watch collections, and coin collections worth tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on public internet forums (EVEN HERE)., More often than not, they snapped a photo with their camera phones and all a person has to do is read the EXIF data embedded tight in the image file in order to get a precise GPS location of exactly which house, or even which part of a house, they keep their valuables in. If you ever want to post a picture of your guns, take a pic, open it on your computer, grab it with printscreen and crop to make a new clean copy. Or at least turn off geotagging on your phone or camera.
Just my .02- but it could save your life one day. Not everyone on the internet is a good guy.
 

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Well, I guess you'd have to know if they actually met the Federal definition for "assault rifle" or if they were "assault style rifles", but I think that is really a lot to ask of a reporter- glad to see they were not referred to as "automatic weapons" this time.

You would not believe how many technologically clueless individuals post pictures of their gun collections, watch collections, and coin collections worth tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on public internet forums (EVEN HERE)., More often than not, they snapped a photo with their camera phones and all a person has to do is read the EXIF data embedded tight in the image file in order to get a precise GPS location of exactly which house, or even which part of a house, they keep their valuables in. If you ever want to post a picture of your guns, take a pic, open it on your computer, grab it with printscreen and crop to make a new clean copy. Or at least turn off geotagging on your phone or camera.
Just my .02- but it could save your life one day. Not everyone on the internet is a good guy.
Or just post pics of your valuables and layout of your house on Facebook, then update your status to "I'm out of town for a few days, yay!" :p
 

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Or just post pics of your valuables and layout of your house on Facebook, then update your status to "I'm out of town for a few days, yay!" :p
Using the publically published list of all pistol permit owners is always nifty. ??)
 

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Using the publically published list of all pistol permit owners is always nifty. ??)
I suspect that works both ways- they might only have one gun, and would you rather rob a house you KNOW has at least one gun in it?

Now, if we could keep some of those those same pistol owners from leaving a loaded gun in their nightstand or under their mattress when they went ot of the house, IMO we would be way ahead of the game on curbing "crime guns".

Yeah, i understand your HD gun is of limited use when secured in a dial combination safe. However, arming burglars is not cool either. Especially when the next homeowner gerts shot with YOUR gun, that you left laying around.

by YOUR, I am not referring to you, Peepsight.
 

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Captain Will said:
I suspect that works both ways- they might only have one gun, and would you rather rob a house you KNOW has at least one gun in it?

Now, if we could keep some of those those same pistol owners from leaving a loaded gun in their nightstand or under their mattress when they went ot of the house, IMO we would be way ahead of the game on curbing "crime guns".

Yeah, i understand your HD gun is of limited use when secured in a dial combination safe. However, arming burglars is not cool either. Especially when the next homeowner gerts shot with YOUR gun, that you left laying around.

by YOUR, I am not referring to you, Peepsight.
+1 Will... No excuse for leaving loaded weapons laying around while out of the house. Mines in a digital safe and I can have it in hand in 3 seconds... I have young kids and there's no room for error
 

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Could we add a State to the subject line, or mention it in the text when posting out-of-state?

FYI, South Hill is in Washington State.
 
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