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Help with Hopkins and Allen shotgun.


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#1 Shotime

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Posted November 19 2010 - 08:13 PM

My friend steve found this shotgun in his dads closet and I did a little research but wanted to see if anyone here knows a little bit about it. Apparently they were made from 1902-1914.

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#2 goosecatcher

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Posted November 19 2010 - 08:33 PM

Any close up pictures of the serial number or stamping? From what I've dug up, Hopkins & Allen were only business from about 1868 to 1915. "Hopkins and Allen Manufacturing Co" was used from 1868 to 1898. "Hopkins and Allen Arms Co" was used from 1898 to 1915.

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Posted November 19 2010 - 08:54 PM

Charlie, the serial number is b 2357

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Posted November 19 2010 - 08:59 PM

Hard to see from the pics. is it a side by side?

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Posted November 19 2010 - 09:01 PM

Side by side:Hopkins & Allen purchased Forehand Arms Co. and W.H. Davenport and continued to produce their line of firearms, and after a few years dropped the Forehand name. In 1902, they offered the Forehand double boxlocks with or without outside hammers. Most models were offered in 12, 16 & 20 gauge. Sidelocks were added 1906-09. In 1902, the AA GRADE, a very high quality boxlock, was offered for $100 to $125. It had fine damascus barrels, straight grip, plain or automatic ejectors, fine wood, and engraving, and was competitive with some Remingtons, L.C. Smiths, Bakers and other fine guns of that era. This gun was very short lived and today is rare. One feature found on all H&A double barrel guns is the "rib extension" or "doll's head."

Single Shot:H&A produced a "falling block" shotgun in most gauges circa 1887-early 1900s. Falling Blocks (FBs) in 12 ga. were built on heavy frames with the 20 and 16 gauges sharing a medium frame. Prior to 1902, some FBs were chambered for .45-70 shotshells and, today, these are rare if in good condition. From the 1890s through 1914, 38XL, 44XL shotshell guns were periodically offered in the Junior frame. After 1902, "tip-over" single shotguns were offered in Forehand designs and, later, the Davenport designs.

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Posted November 19 2010 - 09:06 PM

It is a single shot. The hammer doesn't stay cocked and I am trying to fix it or find parts for it. I would like to shoot this thing soon.

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Posted November 19 2010 - 09:15 PM

It is a single shot. The hammer doesn't stay cocked and I am trying to fix it or find parts for it. I would like to shoot this thing soon.


I would not shoot it without having it checked out.
Some of the single shots have Damascus barrels and even in perfect condition, they not fetching over 200-250,
Please don't take this puppy to the range without having a real gunsmith check it out.

Take a look at this link.

http://en.allexperts...n-shotgun-1.htm


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Posted July 16 2012 - 12:44 PM

My father recently got a 12-Gage double-barreled Hopkins & Allen Shotgun and is trying to obtain a $ value as well as a manufacturing date. He took it to a reputable gun smith and he stated that he doesn't believe that its a Damascus barrel and that it can shoot low 12-Gage shells. The serial number is : 59837 03(on upper corner). Here are some sample pics. I've search throughout the web for info specifically on this gun but no no avail. Please, if anyone know or can determine the manufacture date as well as a $ value, I'd greatly appreciate it.

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Posted July 16 2012 - 01:02 PM

copied from the gun blue book sxs

Hopkins & Allen purchased Forehand Arms Co. and W.H. Davenport and continued to produce their line of firearms, and after a few years dropped the Forehand name. In 1902, they offered the Forehand double boxlocks with or without outside hammers. Most models were offered in 12, 16 & 20 gauge. Sidelocks were added 1906-09. In 1902, the AA GRADE, a very high quality boxlock, was offered for $100 to $125. It had fine damascus barrels, straight grip, plain or automatic ejectors, fine wood, and engraving, and was competitive with some Remingtons, L.C. Smiths, Bakers and other fine guns of that era. This gun was very short lived and today is rare. One feature found on all H&A double barrel guns is the "rib extension" or "doll´s head."

  
BOXLOCK
- Anson & Deeley type frame, damascus, twist, and steel barrels.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $315 $275 $235 $195 $160 $130 $95          



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BOXLOCK
- similar to above, except with outside hammers.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $315 $275 $235 $195 $160 $130 $95          



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SIDELOCK
- hammerless, damascus, twist, and steel barrels.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $315 $275 $235 $195 $160 $130 $115          



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SIDELOCK
- similar to above, except with outside hammers.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $315 $275 $235 $195 $160 $130 $95          



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Posted July 16 2012 - 01:06 PM

Single shots

H&A produced a "falling block" shotgun in most gauges circa 1887-early 1900s. Falling Blocks (FBs) in 12 ga. were built on heavy frames with the 20 and 16 gauges sharing a medium frame. Prior to 1902, some FBs were chambered for .45-70 shotshells and, today, these are rare if in good condition. From the 1890s through 1914, 38XL, 44XL shotshell guns were periodically offered in the Junior frame. After 1902, "tip-over" single shotguns were offered in Forehand designs and, later, the Davenport designs.

  
FALLING BLOCK
- lever operated, outside hammer.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $275 $235 $210 $180 $160 $145 $125          



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BOXLOCK
- with outside hammer, damascus, twist, and steel barrels.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $190 $170 $150 $130 $110 $95 $80          



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BOXLOCK
- hammerless, top safety.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $190 $170 $150 $130 $110 $95 $80          



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GOOSE GUNS
- outside hammer, 8, 10, or 12 ga., were offered with barrels up to 40 inches long.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $250 $225 $190 $170 $150 $135 $115          



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"SAFETY SINGLE GUN"
- engraved with outside hammer and top safety. Was offered in 1911 and recommended for trap shooting for $15.00.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
  $250 $225 $195 $175 $155 $140 $125          



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