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STEPS ON PURCHASING A FIREARM


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#1 The Architect

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Posted November 13 2010 - 03:16 PM

Many people may be viewing this site because they have questions about purchasing their first firearm. One thing that's very important to remember is that there are no dumb questions, especially in New York. As a resident here, you have most likely been lead to believe that guns are bad and only bad people have guns. The purpose of this site, and all that we do as a community, is to dispel that myth. We understand all too well what you're going through as many of us went through it ourselves. We'd like to take this opportunity to post a tutorial on how to get started, and we will break it up into as many sections as possible so as not to overload you with information that may not even pertain to you.

2013 - AS OF NOW, ALL TRANSFERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE DONE THROUGH AN FFL (MINUS IMMEDIATE FAMILY)

I. Overview

Generally, we put firearms into three categories: Handguns, Rifles and Shotguns. In terms of New York State Law, the process for purchasing Rifles and Shotguns are identical. Handguns are different, requiring many more steps and a much longer lead time to that first purchase. We'll get to that later.

II. Purchasing Rifles and Shotguns

A. Purchasing Rifles and Shotguns at a store: This is most likely how you will purchase your first firearm. Use online forums, websites, magazines and any other information you can find to pick out the rifle or shotgun you would like. Take into consideration what you want to use the firearm for (home defense, skeet/trap, hunting, target shooting, etc). With that information, approach the counter and ask if they have the gun you want. If they do, ask to see it. Use the four rules of safety when you are handed the firearm:

1. Treat all guns as if they are loaded
2. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction; never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off of the trigger and out of the trigger guard until your sights are on the target.
4. Know your target, and know what is beyond your target.

In practice, and at a store, that means make sure the muzzle of the gun never covers another person in the store. Working the action is fine, moving the parts that are supposed to move is ok also, but don't dry fire without permission. It will most likely be given if you ask.

If you make a decision to buy the firearm, notify the salesperson and they will most likely ask for your driver's license, then hand you BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives) form 4473. On it, you will provide pedigree information and answer some questions that are there to verify that you are not a criminal, are not currently wanted for a crime or under indictment for one, are not a drug addict, and that you haven't been adjudicated as mentally ill. Using this form, the gun store staff will call in and have a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) to determine your eligibility to possess that firearm under Federal Law. The answer is often immediate, but if a "hold" answer is given, the FFL (gun dealer) must wait up to three days before the gun can be transferred. Once the gun store receives a "proceed" from the NICS check, your order will be rung up, you'll pay and Congratulations! You are now a law abiding gun owning citizen!

B. Purchasing Rifles and Shotguns at an Online Store. In this scenario, you choose the rifle you want, and pay first. The rifle is shipped to an FFL (Federal Firearm License) holder. All gun stores have an FFL license, but there are also some FFL's in this area that are not gun stores. See the reviews section of Long Island Firearms for more information. If you have a specific FFL that you would like to use, you can have the FFL fax their information to the online merchant from whom you bought the firearm. Sometimes, the online merchant you use may actually already have the FFL information on file. Once the rifle is shipped, you will visit the FFL, pay their fee, plus applicable taxes on the price of the transfer fee, and undergo the NICS check as detailed above.

C. Purchasing Rifles and Shotguns from Online Auctions. This method of buying a firearm is similar to buying from an online merchant. In many cases, the seller on an auction site is also an online merchant. However, there are also many individual gun owners on auction sites. When the conditions of the auction sale are met (i.e. the money has changed hands), again the firearm is shipped to an FFL, who will perform a NICS check on you, and you'll pay your fee as above. (Questions as to whether a non FFL can send to an FFL are beyond the scope of this article. Federal Law says they can, but sometimes problems can arise, if you have that issue, we will help you address it when it happens)

D. Purchasing Rifles and Shotguns Face To Face. This is a rather easy transaction to make...if the buyer and seller know each other. It can be a little awkward in situations where the buyer and seller have never met. If you're a seller, you don't really know who this person is that is buying your gun. As a buyer, you don't know where this gun came from. In situations like this, it is best for buyers and sellers to exchange information and make a bill of sale that records the date, gun make, model and serial number, and has the signatures of both the buyer and seller. Some will take the added step of copying driver's licenses to complete the transaction. Our Buy Sell and Trade section is a good place to make face to face transactions. Most of our sellers are well established within the Long Island Firearms Community, and their feedback brings that point home.

E. Purchasing Rifles and Shotguns at a store while away from home. If you are in any part of New York State, except for New York City, you may buy a long rifle or shotgun at a store and the process will be the same as any other store. If you are not from New York City, but think it may be a good idea to purchase your rifle or shotgun there, think again. Unless it is something that absolutely, positively cannot be bought anywhere else, there is no benefit, only annoyance in so doing. You may buy a gun in any of the states with which New York shares a border (New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Vermont) and transport it back to your home. However, if buying out of state, it is up to you to ensure that the firearm you purchase conforms to New York State's so called "Assault Weapons Ban". Here are the definitions from said ban:

22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an
ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher; or
( B) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following
characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds;
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
© a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics:
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm
with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded;
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm;
or
(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
Sweeper and Striker 12;
(e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle,
shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or
slide action; ( B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or © is an
antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16);
(ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine
that holds more than five rounds of ammunition;
(iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds
of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine;
(iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof,
specified in Appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was
manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere
fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to
mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or
(v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic
pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this
subdivision lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen
hundred ninety-four.
23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September
thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or
that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten
rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include
an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating
only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.


Note: When transporting a rifle or shotgun through New York City, you are required to keep the rifle or shotgun unloaded and locked in the trunk of your car. You have 24 hours to transit New York City.


III. Purchasing Handguns

Overview: It is illegal for anyone who is not licensed in New York to possess a handgun. In order to possess a handgun, you must apply and be approved for a pistol license. In Nassau County, you apply at the Pistol License Section at 1490 Franklin Ave. in Mineola. The forms required and the instructions needed are available at this link: http://www.police.na...ation_tandh.htm In Suffolk County, there are two licensing authorities. For the five westernmost towns in Suffolk County applicants should apply to the Suffolk County Police Department Pistol License Bureau at 30 Yaphank Ave. in Yaphank. Forms are available at this link: http://www.co.suffol...onlineforms.htm For the easternmost towns in Suffolk, application must be made to the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department Pistol License Section at 100 Center Drive in Riverhead. The Sheriff's Department doesn't host their forms online, so call them at 631-852-2233 for more information.

It is very important to note that all of the Pistol License Applications/Questionnaires are integrity tests. With basic pedigree information, as well as your fingerprints, the pistol license investigators have the ability to obtain the truthful answer to any of the questions asked on the forms. Falsifying those forms, or not providing information required will result in denial of your license application. Do not place any faith in claims made by others that certain information, i.e. sealed records or certain types of "tickets" need not be reported. Those claims are false. Additionally, we receive questions regarding pistol licensing services who charge a fee to fill the forms out for you. It is our opinion that these services are unnecessary and offer no advantage over filling the forms out yourself.

Our forum has sections dedicated to licensing issues in Nassau County and Suffolk County. It is a valuable resource for anyone who has questions about the application process.

What follows are the steps necessary to purchase a firearm in Nassau and Suffolk County once you have received your pistol license.

A. Purchasing a Handgun in Nassau County

1. Purchasing a handgun at a store: When purchasing a handgun at a store, the actual shopping process is similar to buying a rifle or shotgun, except that you will be asked to show your license before being given a handgun to examine. In purchasing the handgun however, the process is quite different and requires several extra steps.

Obtaining a Purchase Document A purchase document is required in order to add a handgun to your pistol license. To obtain one, the license holder will go to the Pistol license Section at Police Headquarters in Mineola. As quoted from Nassau County's Pistol License Handbook dated April 2010:

1. Licensees are not required to purchase or own a firearm to receive or maintain a pistol license. However, to purchase a firearm, a Purchase Document ($10 for each firearm) must be obtained from the Nassau County Police Department, Pistol License Section.
2. You may obtain a non-specific firearm Purchase Document, which will be valid for the duration of the calendar year from the date of purchase. You do not need to have a handgun picked out in order to get a Purchase document.

3. You must destroy the document if you do not purchase a weapon when the document expires. Purchase Documents expire on December 31th [sic] of the year it was purchased.
4. Licensees are required to appear at the Pistol Section within ten days (10) business days of purchasing a weapon to amend their license and reflect the purchase with the following:
a. Firearm(s) purchased.
b. White copy of the Purchase Document
c. Bill of sale from the seller
5. If you are purchasing a handgun from another pistol licensee, you can both come in to the Pistol License Section with the unloaded handgun and can conduct the transaction at the counter without a Purchase document. Fee is still $10.00.


2. Purchasing a handgun online. When purchasing a handgun online, the sale can be made somewhat tricky in that handguns must conform to New York State law. A new (as in, not used) handgun must contain a COBIS packet, which contains fired shell casings from that particular handgun. The data from the shell casing is entered into a database that is maintained by the state. If the gun does not contain this packet, it must be made COBIS compliant before it can be legally transferred to a NYS pistol license holder. There will be a fee involved. Also, (struck with the retirement of COBIS in 2012) If the firearm is a semiautomatic, and again, is new, the magazines can not have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (unless sold to a law enforcement officer). As with rifles and shotguns coming from online retailers, a handgun will also need to be sent to an FFL. (Note: most local retail stores in this area have the ability to order pretty much any new firearm on the market today. Check with a local retailer before ordering a handgun online. Although the price of the gun online may seem attractive, once shipping costs, FFL transfer fees, and possible COBIS compliance fees are considered (along with possibility that the magazines aren't being shipped because they are considered "high capacity" in New York) that online price may not seem so attractive anymore.

A used gun bought online does NOT have to be made COBIS compliant. It can be purchased, and sent to an FFL for transfer to a pistol license holder. If the used firearm was manufactured before September 13th, 1994, it is considered pre-ban, and if that particular gun comes with magazines that have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (and were also manufactured prior to September 13th, 1994, or are original to that gun), they can be possessed in New York State.

In essence, purchasing a handgun in Nassau County will contain these steps:

1. Apply for and be approved for a New York State Pistol License issued by Nassau County.
2. Pick out a gun at a local store, or purchase a gun online from either a merchant or an auction site (in which case the gun must be sent to an FFL). Make purchase.
3. Obtain a purchase document from the Pistol License Section at police headquarters in Mineola.
4. Bring the purchase document to the retail store/FFL.
5. FFL/merchant will perform a NICS check. If they receive a "proceed" the handgun is given to the license holder.
6. Within 10 days, the license holder brings the UNLOADED handgun to the Pistol License Section to have it added to their license. This completes the process.
(Note: Steps 2 and three are interchangeable; you can obtain a non specific purchase document, then pick out your gun.)

3. Purchasing a handgun from another Nassau County License holder. The easiest method of accomplishing this is for both parties to meet at the Pistol License Section to have the handgun removed from the seller's license, and added to the buyer's license. Both parties will pay a fee of $10.00.

4. Purchasing a handgun from a Suffolk County License holder. In this instance, what should be an easy transaction has the potential for some confusion. First, obtain a purchase document. Meet with the seller and complete the financial arrangement of the sale. Fill out a bill of sale that contains the make, model, caliber, barrel length, type, capacity and serial number of the gun. Buyer and seller will sign the bill of sale. For your own convenience, we recommend exchanging photocopies of each other's license (situations have arisen where this information was required by one or both of the license issuing authorities, alternately, they may require it be faxed to them). Have the seller complete the information on the purchase document and sign. Return to the Pistol License Section and have the pistol added to your license.

B. Purchasing a Handgun in Suffolk County.

1. Purchasing a handgun at a store: When purchasing a handgun at a store, the actual shopping process is similar to buying a rifle or shotgun, except that you will be asked to show your license before being given a handgun to examine. In purchasing the handgun however, the process is quite different and requires several extra steps.

Obtaining a Purchase Document A purchase document is required in order to add a handgun to your pistol license. To obtain one, the license holder will go to the Pistol License Bureau at Police Headquarters in Yaphank, or the Sheriff's Office in Riverhead.

The Suffolk County Police Department issues purchase documents upon request. Licensees report to the Pistol License Bureau in Yaphank to obtain a purchase document, show their license, fill out an amendment request, pay the fee of $5.00 BY CHECK OR MONEY ORDER ONLY, and are issued a purchase document with a raised seal. Puchase Documents are good for 20 days and are marked with their expiration. An expired purchase document MUST BE RETURNED to the Pistol License Bureau within ten days of expiration.

2. Purchasing a handgun online. When purchasing a handgun online, the sale can be made somewhat tricky in that handguns must conform to New York State law. A new (as in, not used) handgun must contain a COBIS packet, which contains fired shell casings from that particular handgun. The data from those shell casing is entered into a database that is maintained by the state. If the gun does not contain this packet, it must be made COBIS compliant before it can be legally transferred to a NYS pistol license holder. There will be a fee involved. Also, (struck with the end of COBIS in 2012) If the firearm is a semiautomatic, and again, is new, the magazines can not have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (unless sold to a law enforcement officer). As with rifles and shotguns coming from online retailers, a handgun will also need to be sent to an FFL. (Note: most local retail stores in this area have the ability to order pretty much any new firearm on the market today. Check with a local retailer before ordering a handgun online. Although the price of the gun online may seem attractive, once shipping costs, FFL transfer fees, and possible COBIS compliance fees are considered (along with possibility that the magazines aren't being shipped because they are considered "high capacity" in New York) that online price may not seem so attractive anymore.

A used gun bought online does NOT have to be made COBIS compliant. It can be purchased, and sent to an FFL for transfer to a pistol license holder. If the used firearm was manufactured before September 13th, 1994, it is considered pre-ban, and if that particular gun comes with magazines that have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (and were also manufactured prior to September 13th, 1994, or are original to that gun), they can be possessed in New York State.

In essence, purchasing a handgun in Suffolk County will contain these steps:

1. Apply for and be approved for a New York State Pistol License issued by Suffolk County.
2. Pick out a gun at a local store, or purchase a gun online from either a merchant or an auction site (in which case the gun must be sent to an FFL). Make purchase.
3. Obtain a purchase document from the Pistol License Bureau at police headquarters in Yaphank, or the Sheriff's Office in Riverhead.
4. Bring the purchase document to the retail store/FFL.
5. FFL/merchant will perform a NICS check. If they receive a "proceed" the handgun is given to the license holder.
6. Within 10 days, the license holder brings the UNLOADED handgun to the Pistol License Bureau or Sheriff's Office to have it added to their license. This completes the process.
(Note: Steps 2 and three are interchangeable; you can obtain a non specific purchase document, then pick out your gun.)

3. Purchasing a handgun from another Suffolk County License holder, where both buyer and seller have the same licensing agent. The easiest method of accomplishing this is for both parties to meet at the Pistol License Bureau to have the handgun removed from the seller's license, and added to the buyer's license. Both parties will pay a fee of $5.00 (check or money order only!).

4. Purchasing a handgun from a Nassau County License holder, or between Suffolk County Licensees where one party is in the easternmost towns and the other is in the five westernmost towns. First, obtain a purchase document. Meet with the seller and complete the financial arrangement of the sale. Fill out a bill of sale that contains the make, model, caliber, barrel length, type, capacity and serial number of the gun. Buyer and seller will sign the bill of sale. For your own convenience, we recommend exchanging photocopies of each other's license (situations have arisen where this information was required by one or both of the license issuing authorities, alternately, they may require it be faxed to them). Have the seller complete the information on the purchase document and sign. Return to the Pistol License Bureau or Sheriff's Office and have the pistol added to your license.


As stated earlier, there are no dumb questions. Being a member of Long Island Firearms will afford you with a wealth of information from many sources. The information you seek is just a question away. Please feel free to ask!

Glossary of terms:

FFL: Federal Firearms License; a person licensed under federal law to legally transfer firearms through interstate trade and retail sale. In New York State, FFL's are separately licensed by the state and counties in which their primary business resides.

NICS: National Instant Criminal Check System; a background check performed by an FFL prior to the transfer of a firearm.

COBIS: Combined Ballistic Information System; A state program whose primary function is to keep several state employees focused on maintaining a database of information relating to the characteristics of spent shell casings fired from guns legally purchased in New York State and owned legally by law abiding citizens who had to overcome a ridiculously intrusive application process before even being allowed to touch a handgun. Therefore there's an infinitesimal probability that said law abiding citizens and their guns would ever be involved in a crime, thus making COBIS a silly, fruitless expenditure of effort, energy, resources and money. Struck in 2012; no longer a requirement for new guns in NYS.

Microstamping: See COBIS, but even dumber.

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Posted March 05 2011 - 09:30 AM

Anyone know what I need to do to buy a handgun (USED from a Private party) from NYC and I have a Nassau License.

Thnx Tigwelder

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Posted March 05 2011 - 09:34 AM

Just do it simple and easy
Join MS13, the Crips or the Bloods and get your gun the next day without all this bs!
And you can get fully auto ones also if you want!
That's in the section of the law that Steve didn;t post.
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Posted March 05 2011 - 10:01 AM

Anyone know what I need to do to buy a handgun (USED from a Private party) from NYC and I have a Nassau License.

Thnx Tigwelder


   Just get a purchase doc, from NCPD, buy the gun, bring it back, to NCPD, for registration, then take it home.
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Posted March 05 2011 - 10:09 AM

In order to send a handgun to a NYS FFL, they must also have a NYS Handgun Dealers license

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Posted May 03 2011 - 06:35 PM

Where can I download a PD 641-121 form to register a long gun being brought into NYC?

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Posted May 04 2011 - 12:49 AM

Where can I download a PD 641-121 form to register a long gun being brought into NYC?




Contact the NYPD Rifle/Shotgun Section at 718-520-9300.  They might ask you for your license number, and they will ask for your address.
They will mail you the form.  If you want,  you can also go there in person and get a form. 120-55 Queens Blvd, B-11 Kew Gardens, New York 11424.


If you Purchase the rifle or shotgun in NYC,  The dealer will fill it out and submit it for you automatically.

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Posted June 21 2011 - 03:26 AM

Can anyone point me to the section of law or regulations that says a handgun from out of state sent to a NYS FFL must come only from another FFL out of state, and not a private party?
Thanks.

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Posted June 21 2011 - 06:05 AM

Can anyone point me to the section of law or regulations that says a handgun from out of state sent to a NYS FFL must come only from another FFL out of state, and not a private party?
Thanks.


I don't believe it's stated anywhere, but good luck finding a local FFL that will take a gun from a private citizen.

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Posted June 21 2011 - 07:02 AM

Can anyone point me to the section of law or regulations that says a handgun from out of state sent to a NYS FFL must come only from another FFL out of state, and not a private party?
Thanks.


I beleive Pate is correct. I don;t beleive it is written anywhere. But it was explained to me by several gun dealers that thier licensing agency (gun dealer lic, local or state or county, depending on where they are doing business) "frowns" on it.
Which is a nice way of saying if they do and the licensing agent isn;t happy about it, they will make the dealers life miserable, which they can and have.

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Posted June 21 2011 - 07:14 AM

Just do it simple and easy
Join MS13, the Crips or the Bloods and get your gun the next day without all this bs!
And you can get fully auto ones also if you want!
That's in the section of the law that Steve didn;t post.


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Posted June 21 2011 - 10:22 AM


I don't believe it's stated anywhere, but good luck finding a local FFL that will take a gun from a private citizen.


it must be written in some laws or regulations somewhere.



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Posted June 21 2011 - 11:11 PM

does anyone know if it is?

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Posted December 01 2011 - 10:25 PM

Why do you need a NICS check (under the Suffolk County handgun steps) if you purchase a handgun after you already have a license? I thought that a NY CHL was sufficient enough to skip NICS when buying guns.

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Posted December 01 2011 - 10:51 PM

Why do you need a NICS check (under the Suffolk County handgun steps) if you purchase a handgun after you already have a license? I thought that a NY CHL was sufficient enough to skip NICS when buying guns.

Pretty much for the same reason you need the sworn approval of four other citizens to exercise the one unique constitutional right to own a pistol:
"We're the government and we can do whatever the !@@ we want. And we want to just break your balls."  :nana
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Posted December 01 2011 - 10:55 PM

Just do it simple and easy
Join MS13, the Crips or the Bloods and get your gun the next day without all this bs!
And you can get fully auto ones also if you want!
That's in the section of the law that Steve didn;t post.


How did i miss Steves post back then ?   Now thats funny :yay

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Posted December 01 2011 - 11:00 PM

Pretty much for the same reason you need the sworn approval of four other citizens to exercise the one unique constitutional right to own a pistol:
"We're the government and we can do whatever the !@@ we want. And we want to just break your balls."  :nana


Yup, that's pretty much it...

I think I read somewhere (may have been an old version of the Suffolk County Handbook) that the extensive process for gaining a NYS pistol license constituted some type of exemption from the NICS check, but that NYS opts to do it anyway, or something to that effect...but I can't find a reference for it, and the new handbook states that a licensed dealer must do a NICS check before transferring a firearm, so there's that.

But, if you think about it...if you have a license, and you go to PLB with a friend who lives in the same county and buy a gun from him, they remove it from his license and transfer it to you without a NICS...so maybe its a requirement of having a NYS dealers license to do a NICS check on every transfer.





#18 ligun

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Posted December 01 2011 - 11:38 PM

There is a provision in federal law that a state can apply for and receive exemption for their CCW card holders from NICS checks.  For the federal government to grant this exception, all CCW card holders must undergo a permit renewal at least once every five years and at permit renewal time the state must do a NICS check.

There are several counties upstate that give a lifelong permit and so there are no regular NICS checks at renewal time.  So NY does not qualify for this exemption program and all FFLs are required by federal law to do NICS checks.

Even if NY qualified, I doubt if NY will apply for this exemption from the Feds.

#19 JustaThought

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Posted December 12 2011 - 01:17 AM

If you have a pistol license for Suffolk County, do you have to purchase a new pistol from or through an FFL located in Suffolk or can you use an FFL anywhere in NYS (except presumably NYC)?  Could I use an FFL in Nassau for example?

#20 mickeyblueyes

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Posted December 12 2011 - 01:51 AM

What about this situation, I spend a lot of time upstate NY ,I have a valid Suffolk county purchase document and go in to Gander mountain in ( Syracuse) and present the paper work. The salesman , refuses to  sell the gun to me because I have to return to that store with that pistol amended to my license BEFORE he will turn it over to me to own. As a Suffolk Pistol holder I must present the firearm to the Licensing agent to be amended.  

Item 2 I have a purchase doc and go to Cabelas in PA or CT, I was told that you are permitted to purchase a pistol from a neighboring state. ( true or false I do not know). I the salesman at Cabelas going to sell me that pistol or is he going to insist that it be shipped to a local FFL.  A more clear explanation of above would be great.




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