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2A: Trump v Biden


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#1 cprstn54

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Posted August 31 2020 - 06:35 PM

Two balanced summaries of the respective positions:

https://www.ontheiss...Gun_Control.htm

https://www.ontheiss...Gun_Control.htm

 

Note that both support a ban on "assault weapons."

 

Trump did expand hunting on national wildlife refuges and made it harder to deny guns to those with mental illnesses.

 

Can anyone identify anything else Trump has done in 3.5 years to advance his expressed pro-2A positions?

 

 



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Posted August 31 2020 - 08:00 PM

Two balanced summaries of the respective positions:

https://www.ontheiss...Gun_Control.htm

https://www.ontheiss...Gun_Control.htm

 

Note that both support a ban on "assault weapons."

 

Trump did expand hunting on national wildlife refuges and made it harder to deny guns to those with mental illnesses.

 

Can anyone identify anything else Trump has done in 3.5 years to advance his expressed pro-2A positions?

You are kidding, right?

Did you even read what you posted?

Stop trolling


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Posted August 31 2020 - 08:50 PM

You leave me no choice.

 

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Posted August 31 2020 - 09:27 PM

Anyone with an answer that is not an admission they have no answer? It's a simple question and the answer is a list of results, like your handgun license is now valid for CC in 50 states, or you can now have a large capacity magazine, or a semi-auto rifle with with a pistol grip and a muzzle brake.

 

Bear in mind that in 2017-18 Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency.

 

Maybe you are one of the few frequent loudmouth posters that just like Trump for another, unspeakable reason, and shouldn't be posting your love/worship on this forum because it has nothing to do with 2A.



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Posted August 31 2020 - 10:18 PM

The Biden list you posted was a total anti 2A manifesto. Did you even read it?



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Posted September 01 2020 - 06:39 AM

The Biden list you posted was a total anti 2A manifesto. Did you even read it?

If you don’t respond he will eventually return to his basement like his idol Joe Biden. 


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Posted September 01 2020 - 01:29 PM

Two balanced summaries of the respective positions:

https://www.ontheiss...Gun_Control.htm

https://www.ontheiss...Gun_Control.htm

 

Note that both support a ban on "assault weapons."

 

Trump did expand hunting on national wildlife refuges and made it harder to deny guns to those with mental illnesses.

 

Can anyone identify anything else Trump has done in 3.5 years to advance his expressed pro-2A positions?

Well he didnt ask Beto to be his gun czar. He didnt come out in favor of a gun buyback or be in favor of what they did in Austrailia or new Zealand. But heres the rub. In order for him to pass a reciprical carry law someone has to propose the bill and it has to pass the House and Senate and no one did that so there was nothing to vote on or sign into law. So you see the RINOS that were in Congress in late '16 2017 knew they were going to leave before the 18 midterms which is why we lost the House so they didnt want to haggle or push through bills at all. Also I can guarantee you that if a federal law about repricocity was passed states like NY, CA IL would sue and not honor it. Just look at NYC. They are part of NYS right? Can you travel there with your firearm if you have a legal permit? No. So the states will do what they want regardless. Remember the states love the federal govt when it goes along with them but resist the feds when they dont.He did put two Pro 2A judges on the SCOTUS but they ran into two face Roberts so thats that. Its a double edged sword. He didnt do a ton of things but he didnt do a ton of damage with what and more importantly who he had to work with.



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Posted September 01 2020 - 04:41 PM

Well he didnt ask Beto to be his gun czar. He didnt come out in favor of a gun buyback or be in favor of what they did in Austrailia or new Zealand. But heres the rub. In order for him to pass a reciprical carry law someone has to propose the bill and it has to pass the House and Senate and no one did that so there was nothing to vote on or sign into law. So you see the RINOS that were in Congress in late '16 2017 knew they were going to leave before the 18 midterms which is why we lost the House so they didnt want to haggle or push through bills at all. Also I can guarantee you that if a federal law about repricocity was passed states like NY, CA IL would sue and not honor it. Just look at NYC. They are part of NYS right? Can you travel there with your firearm if you have a legal permit? No. So the states will do what they want regardless. Remember the states love the federal govt when it goes along with them but resist the feds when they dont.He did put two Pro 2A judges on the SCOTUS but they ran into two face Roberts so thats that. Its a double edged sword. He didnt do a ton of things but he didnt do a ton of damage with what and more importantly who he had to work with.

You keep feeling the troll. When you feed things they just keep coming back.


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Posted September 01 2020 - 06:56 PM

You keep feeling the troll. When you feed things they just keep coming back.

Trying to enlighten. I never give away food!LOL.



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Posted September 02 2020 - 07:54 AM

Well he didnt ask Beto to be his gun czar. He didnt come out in favor of a gun buyback or be in favor of what they did in Austrailia or new Zealand. But heres the rub. In order for him to pass a reciprical carry law someone has to propose the bill and it has to pass the House and Senate and no one did that so there was nothing to vote on or sign into law. So you see the RINOS that were in Congress in late '16 2017 knew they were going to leave before the 18 midterms which is why we lost the House so they didnt want to haggle or push through bills at all. Also I can guarantee you that if a federal law about repricocity was passed states like NY, CA IL would sue and not honor it. Just look at NYC. They are part of NYS right? Can you travel there with your firearm if you have a legal permit? No. So the states will do what they want regardless. Remember the states love the federal govt when it goes along with them but resist the feds when they dont.He did put two Pro 2A judges on the SCOTUS but they ran into two face Roberts so thats that. Its a double edged sword. He didnt do a ton of things but he didnt do a ton of damage with what and more importantly who he had to work with.

If a federal law were enacted providing for nationwide constitutional carry under 2A no state or municipality could lawfully override it. However, without strong Presidential support, nothing will change because a majority in Congress is OK with the current restrictions.

 

You say that at least Trump did not make matters worse, which is not true for Dems. How did Obama make things worse?

 

My point is that neither candidate will help us.


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Posted September 02 2020 - 07:55 AM

If you don’t respond he will eventually return to his basement like his idol Joe Biden. 

Couldn't you say anything more stupid?



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Posted September 02 2020 - 11:44 AM

If a federal law were enacted providing for nationwide constitutional carry under 2A no state or municipality could lawfully override it. However, without strong Presidential support, nothing will change because a majority in Congress is OK with the current restrictions.

 

You say that at least Trump did not make matters worse, which is not true for Dems. How did Obama make things worse?

 

My point is that neither candidate will help us.

A few things you said struck me. No state could LAWFULLY override it. True but while they are breaking the law all the way to the SCOTUS what would we be allowed to do without reprisal? I didnt say anything about Obama it was Hilary who agreede that confiscation or a buyback like Austrailia or NZ would be something she favors. Also you are correct that neither will help us cause gun control or whatever they call it now is not a big issue to either side til there is a mass shooting at a school or nightclub etc.Then everyone gets onboard the gun control train and it goes no where.Remeber there were people on both sides ready to sign that UN Small Arms Treaty a while back so that just shows that there are factions on both sides who dont give a hoot about our 2nd amendment rights or alot of the other ones too. I was just explaining that I am relieved that they didnt add to our misery for the last 4 years.Didnt exactly lessen it but didnt pile on more crap.



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Posted September 02 2020 - 01:35 PM

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If a federal law were enacted providing for nationwide constitutional carry under 2A no state or municipality could lawfully override it. However, without strong Presidential support, nothing will change because a majority in Congress is OK with the current restrictions.

 

You say that at least Trump did not make matters worse, which is not true for Dems. How did Obama make things worse?

 

My point is that neither candidate will help us.

 


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Posted September 02 2020 - 01:36 PM

Couldn't you say anything more stupid?

Yes I can. Everything you say it completely correct.


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Posted September 27 2020 - 07:40 PM

-cprstn54, where are you, fella?

Are you actually reading Biden’s plans?
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/


You are a pornographer if you own guns, and you beat women too:
Establish a new Task Force on Online Harassment and Abuse to focus on the connection between mass shootings, online harassment, extremism, and violence against women. As President, Joe Biden will convene a national Task Force with federal agencies, state leaders, advocates, law enforcement, and technology experts to study rampant online sexual harassment, stalking, and threats, including revenge porn and deepfakes — and the connection between this harassment, mass shootings, extremism and violence against women.


And, let’s not forget, guilty before any trial or jury:
Biden also supports enacting the proposal to prohibit anyone under a temporary restraining order from purchasing or possessing a firearm before their hearing.


Licenses required for all guns (so that confiscation is possible):
Biden will enact legislation to give states and local governments grants to require individuals to obtain a license prior to purchasing a gun.


No online sales of any firearm related items (Ammo shortage? Reloading? Need a larger sight because you can’t see so well? You can’t buy anything):
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.


If you say one bad thing about anyone’s race, you are done:
Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.


The government gets to decide your property....you own too many pieces of metal and wood:
Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.


The second amendment is about hunting, not about the thin red line ensuring that politicians don’t become despots:
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons.


There is so much more...I guess you support Biden’s policies????

 

 

 

 

Oh, in case you had any doubts about how democrats want to ban online ammo sales, THERE IS THIS:

https://www.congress.../house-bill/686

In case you are too lazy to find the dnc mission, “Democrats will enact universal background checks, end online sales of guns and ammunition, close dangerous loopholes that currently allow stalkers, abusive partners, and some individuals convicted of assault or battery to buy and possess firearms, and adequately fund the federal background check system. We will close the “Charleston loophole” and prevent individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms. Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines. We will incentivize states to enact licensing requirements for owning firearms and extreme risk protection order laws that allow courts to temporarily remove guns from the possession of those who are a danger to themselves or others. We will pass legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes. And Democrats believe that gun companies should be held responsible for their products, just like any other business, and will prioritize repealing the law that shields gun manufacturers from civil liability.”
From : https://democrats.or...ty-Platform.pdf

Translation, the democrats blame you for the fact that teen gang members kill each other and innocents. They will prevent you from buying arms and buying ammo. Since they want to ban online orders, in libtard states, you won’t be allowed to buy guns and Ammo, as they will sue Ammo and firearm manufacturers out of existence. And they want to confiscate your guns...first are the ‘dangerous’ people, then the ‘not so dangerous ones who own guns.’ When the nazis confiscated guns, no one objected because the dangerous people were being disarmed. By the time people realized what just happened, it was too late, they were unarmed and couldn’t stop fascist leftists from taking over. If this isn’t the prime reason to vote republican, then I don’t know what is.

Now please dig you head out from the sand. Democrats hate guns and ammo. If you do t hate guns and ammo the. You are NOT a democrat. Stop voting for those bastids.



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Posted September 28 2020 - 08:45 AM

-cprstn54, where are you, fella?

Are you actually reading Biden’s plans?
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

The web page has changed and become more restrictive. Even so, the only item that would affect me is banning on-line sales of ammunition because TYD is now possible and would end, adding $10 to every on-line-to-FFL purchase. Parts of the SAFE act purport to do that anyway but haven't been activated.

 

Other things are look-good-feel-good and would not survive constitutional challenge, like licensing to own a gun for home protection. We are already licensed for hunting.

 

A little worrisome is that the list suggests they will try to restrict all SA guns. This would be impossible for handguns but a big problem for rifles. Last go-round they tried to do this with a long list of guns that were available in assault form (looks like an AR) and cosmetically changed. This time they might ban a BAR or 10/22.

 

With this list Biden is looking to get every anti-gun, anti-NRA vote. What he would actually do if elected is a different matter. Looking to what actually changed under Obama, the answer is not much. With Barrett on the Supreme Court Biden will do even less, which will be his explanation for not accomplishing any of his gun goals.

 

In any event, as bad as the list looks, Biden is still a better choice than Trump, who corrupts every thing he touches,  has intentionally divided the country, and openly encouraged violence.



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Posted September 28 2020 - 03:12 PM

The web page has changed and become more restrictive. Even so, the only item that would affect me is banning on-line sales of ammunition because TYD is now possible and would end, adding $10 to every on-line-to-FFL purchase. Parts of the SAFE act purport to do that anyway but haven't been activated.

 

Other things are look-good-feel-good and would not survive constitutional challenge, like licensing to own a gun for home protection. We are already licensed for hunting.

 

A little worrisome is that the list suggests they will try to restrict all SA guns. This would be impossible for handguns but a big problem for rifles. Last go-round they tried to do this with a long list of guns that were available in assault form (looks like an AR) and cosmetically changed. This time they might ban a BAR or 10/22.

 

With this list Biden is looking to get every anti-gun, anti-NRA vote. What he would actually do if elected is a different matter. Looking to what actually changed under Obama, the answer is not much. With Barrett on the Supreme Court Biden will do even less, which will be his explanation for not accomplishing any of his gun goals.

 

In any event, as bad as the list looks, Biden is still a better choice than Trump, who corrupts every thing he touches,  has intentionally divided the country, and openly encouraged violence.

You mean when Kamala says the rioters should continue what they doing and that its a good thing that doesn't encourage viloence?


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Posted September 28 2020 - 10:57 PM

You mean when Kamala says the rioters should continue what they doing and that its a good thing that doesn't encourage viloence?

That would be concerning were it not "fake news":

https://www.politifa...-riots-continu/



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Posted September 29 2020 - 01:44 PM

That would be concerning were it not "fake news":

https://www.politifa...-riots-continu/

On Colbert show in June. "The riots are not going to stop and they should not". Whats fake about the quote? I guess you can re arrange the words to say she wants riots to continue but what does it mean when she says they should not stop? Its like she says I dont want riots to continue but they wont stop nor should they. Which is it?


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Posted September 29 2020 - 01:58 PM

The web page has changed and become more restrictive. Even so, the only item that would affect me is banning on-line sales of ammunition because TYD is now possible and would end, adding $10 to every on-line-to-FFL purchase. Parts of the SAFE act purport to do that anyway but haven't been activated.

 

Other things are look-good-feel-good and would not survive constitutional challenge, like licensing to own a gun for home protection. We are already licensed for hunting.

 

A little worrisome is that the list suggests they will try to restrict all SA guns. This would be impossible for handguns but a big problem for rifles. Last go-round they tried to do this with a long list of guns that were available in assault form (looks like an AR) and cosmetically changed. This time they might ban a BAR or 10/22.

 

With this list Biden is looking to get every anti-gun, anti-NRA vote. What he would actually do if elected is a different matter. Looking to what actually changed under Obama, the answer is not much. With Barrett on the Supreme Court Biden will do even less, which will be his explanation for not accomplishing any of his gun goals.

 

In any event, as bad as the list looks, Biden is still a better choice than Trump, who corrupts every thing he touches,  has intentionally divided the country, and openly encouraged violence.

This is the exact 0bama mantra - IF YOU LIKE YOUR GUNS YOU CAN KEEP YOUR GUNS.

In fact, what you are saying is VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO PROMISES TO BAN YOUR GUNS, because he is just pandering for votes and he really won't ban your guns.

You really are posting in the wrong web site.


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