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#1 iGreg

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Posted July 28 2020 - 02:22 PM

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John MacArthur and his congregation absolutely defies and lays down the gauntlet to Caesar.

 


Edited by iGreg, July 28 2020 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted July 28 2020 - 02:31 PM

How do those californians keep voting for these assholes?Newsome, Pelosi,Schiff, Waters, Feinstein,Harris,? It is unreal.


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Posted July 28 2020 - 07:47 PM

I respect Pastor MacArthur and understand his perspective but I think those that are in the high risk population need to continue to be vigilant regarding this virus. In addition I think those that are not in the high risk population need to understand this virus in not the flu and it presents itself in ways that can cause serious damage short of death. I also think you can't separate the lower then predicted number of deaths from the actions that were taken regarding distancing, wearing mask and personal hygiene. Those measures did slow the spread and limited the number of deaths.

 

So now we are 5 months into this pandemic. The church I attend start having indoor services again three weeks ago. Capacity is limited to about 25% of what would be full capacity. The service are kept shorter and in between services cleaning is done to prepare for the next service. Everyone except the person preaching or leading the song serve wears a mask. We are not at the point where we would feel comfortable conducting services in the manner shown in this video. While the mortality rate is declining (in part due to more testing and those in the high risk groups maintaining good practices) it's still higher than the flu, relatively high for those over 60 and/or with other health issues. I'm not an alarmist but I'm also not as relaxed about the situation as Pastor MacArthur appears to be. We are all personally responsible for our actions but if his church has a rash of cases in the next few weeks that result in serious illness or individuals dying I think he bears some of the responsibility in giving people what I believe is a false sense of security.



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Posted July 28 2020 - 08:18 PM

^^^^^^^ I second this ^^^^^^^^



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Posted July 29 2020 - 01:49 AM

... I also think you can't separate the lower then predicted number of deaths from the actions that were taken regarding distancing, wearing mask and personal hygiene. Those measures did slow the spread and limited the number of deaths....

 

 

Wait a minute. All the testing going on has risen the number of people all over the country who have the virus in them and that is mathematically lowering the death rate far below what the political doctors in the swamp were predicting.  

 

What we see is a political establishment that has sent our economy into a tailspin for no good reason. It is patently obvious that Commie Democrat states are now deliberately sabotaging their own economies and has zero to do with the health of the people. 

 

Is this virus a serious medical issue, like many flus and pneumonias, of course. But it makes zero sense to shut down an economy and destroy our fundamental liberties to supposedly help the health of the people. 

 

We are approaching 6 months of this madness. Coupled with the Commie Democrat uprisings in many cities, at some point the center will NOT hold.


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Posted July 30 2020 - 09:41 AM

You cannot deny there is a political part to all of this. The Democrats are certainly trying to make sure Trump is not re-elected and, yes, I believe they'll wreck the economy to do it. Think of it. It will make it that much easier for them to take over the economy and launch us into socialism.

 

How can anyone justify shutting down small mom and pop stores while allowing giants like Walmart, Target and Costco to open? How can anyone look you in the eye and say it's easier for these stores to clean and keep people safe than a small store that can more easily control the numbers of patrons and clean a smaller area and keep it sanitized?

 

In January Anthony Fauci, the expert, said the virus posed no threat to the American public. I saw the video. He said it! Cuomo, DiBlasio, Pelosi were telling people to go out and support the local economy! Then they called the travel bans Trump did racist.

 

It's about the election, pure and simple.

 

The sad part is that this shows now in our lifetime how easily the American society will comply to the overreach of the government. Your rights were destroyed and no one said a peep. How, in this great country, can any government tell you that you have to stay in your house? Pardon my French, but screw you! This is America. I'm not going to hold up in my house.

 

There is also a scientific/medical part to this. But even there disagreements abound! Some come out for hydrochloroquine and some say no. Some say masks yes, some say they don't really help.

 

And with no news, really, it's hard to trust any source of information.

 

We're basically on our own.

 

 

 



What we see is a political establishment that has sent our economy into a tailspin for no good reason. It is patently obvious that Commie Democrat states are now deliberately sabotaging their own economies and has zero to do with the health of the people. 

 

Is this virus a serious medical issue, like many flus and pneumonias, of course. But it makes zero sense to shut down an economy and destroy our fundamental liberties to supposedly help the health of the people. 

 

We are approaching 6 months of this madness. Coupled with the Commie Democrat uprisings in many cities, at some point the center will NOT hold.


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Posted July 30 2020 - 09:56 AM

I respect Pastor MacArthur and understand his perspective but I think those that are in the high risk population need to continue to be vigilant regarding this virus. In addition I think those that are not in the high risk population need to understand this virus in not the flu and it presents itself in ways that can cause serious damage short of death. I also think you can't separate the lower then predicted number of deaths from the actions that were taken regarding distancing, wearing mask and personal hygiene. Those measures did slow the spread and limited the number of deaths.

 

So now we are 5 months into this pandemic. The church I attend start having indoor services again three weeks ago. Capacity is limited to about 25% of what would be full capacity. The service are kept shorter and in between services cleaning is done to prepare for the next service. Everyone except the person preaching or leading the song serve wears a mask. We are not at the point where we would feel comfortable conducting services in the manner shown in this video. While the mortality rate is declining (in part due to more testing and those in the high risk groups maintaining good practices) it's still higher than the flu, relatively high for those over 60 and/or with other health issues. I'm not an alarmist but I'm also not as relaxed about the situation as Pastor MacArthur appears to be. We are all personally responsible for our actions but if his church has a rash of cases in the next few weeks that result in serious illness or individuals dying I think he bears some of the responsibility in giving people what I believe is a false sense of security.

John MacArthur is a well-respected Pastor and for good reason. He's listening to God and I believe God will honor that.

 

We Christians trust God. If we're going to gather to worship Him, we believe He'll protect us.

 

Our church, Nesconset Christian Church (www.nesconsetchristianchurch.com), is having both in-person and online services. We are holding to the rule that says 33% capacity is OK. We have to reserve spots, so they know more people than are allowed won't show up. Masks are required when moving around the church (which has most areas closed off to people) and singing. This is the rule that came down from Albany. If you are sitting and not singing, you may remove your mask. The worship team distances on stage and sings without masks. Our pastors preach with no mask as they are distanced from the congregation. Those who do no feel comfortable meeting, are encouraged to watch online. We are also holding our weekly small groups online and in person (although we've stopped for August).

 

To date I think we've had two of our church family test positive. They were from different age groups and families. Their families were not affected by them. The younger of the two had a more severe case than the older one.

 

I am in the vulnerable age group. I wear my mask because I can't go anywhere without it, but, being of the age, I would probably wear it most places I go anyway. I wash my hands more often and I keep hand sanitizer in my car. I won't, however, stay in my house. I go to parks, beaches. I go out. I will not hold up in my house.

 

Also, I have been working from home this whole time. I work in an "essential" industry and we do most of our business though email and phone anyway. Also, my wife teaches special ed kids online. Please, don't get me started on that one.


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Posted August 06 2020 - 02:39 PM

John MacArthur is a well-respected Pastor and for good reason. He's listening to God and I believe God will honor that.
 
We Christians trust God. If we're going to gather to worship Him, we believe He'll protect us.


God calls us to exercise faith and WISDOM. I know good Christian men and women, individuals of faith, that have died from this virus. To defy wisdom is to tempt God.

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Posted August 06 2020 - 03:10 PM

Wait a minute. All the testing going on has risen the number of people all over the country who have the virus in them and that is mathematically lowering the death rate far below what the political doctors in the swamp were predicting.  
 
What we see is a political establishment that has sent our economy into a tailspin for no good reason. It is patently obvious that Commie Democrat states are now deliberately sabotaging their own economies and has zero to do with the health of the people. 
 
Is this virus a serious medical issue, like many flus and pneumonias, of course. But it makes zero sense to shut down an economy and destroy our fundamental liberties to supposedly help the health of the people. 
 
We are approaching 6 months of this madness. Coupled with the Commie Democrat uprisings in many cities, at some point the center will NOT hold.


I don't doubt for a minute that politics plays a part in the various recommendations about who, what, where, when and how states should open up. That said five months into this pandemic we know a lot more about what measures are effective in dealing with this virus. The number of cases in nursing homes has dropped because we know you have to keep people infected with the virus away from those at high risk. Commonsense should tell you that mask that minimize the release and inhalation of moisture drops containing the virus will limit the spread. While there are reports that atomized droplets can remain suspended in the air for long periods of time those atomized drops contain less droplets and may not be as infectious.

If everyone that test positive is considered a "new case" then an increase in testing will drive down the mortality rate. When you see figures like 29465 new cases and 2438 deaths (U.S. April 19th) and 63265 new cases and 1449 deaths (U.S. July 29) that tells me there is something more than just an increase in testing driving down the mortality rate. It could be better treatment and/or the people being infected are not the high risk folks that are still taking precautions to avoid the virus.




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