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Concealed carry at smithaven or Walt Whitman mall

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#21 pequa1

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Posted March 01 2020 - 09:40 PM

Admittedly I retired in 2011 but I was in and out of the city public housing projects (Queens, Da Bronx and Crooklyn) for years, alone and prohibited from carrying, doing national security background investigations.   Quick wits and mouth and head on a swivel.   If the jackals come they don't come at you with empty hands or alone and its false bravado thinking otherwise.  I really don't care if reciprocity comes or not.  For that matter, I will simply not stop in shit towns like CI, North Amityville, Roosevelt, parts of many others, etc., and yes, not the Green Acres Mall or Jamaica East as its known now either.  Nothing I can do when some mental defective goes into Walt Whitman with a bump stock and body armor anyway.


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#22 Tom Mac

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Posted March 02 2020 - 07:23 AM

  Nothing I can do when some mental defective goes into Walt Whitman with a bump stock and body armor anyway.

Yes, it may be difficult, but at least you'd have a better chance of getting thru the situation if you are armed.

Not saying to take on directly , but at least if your trapped, a better chance

When I was working , we did train for mutli shots for body armor... two to center mass, one to head.

That still is part of my shooting practice.

 

If you can, it's better to be a good witness at times



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Posted March 02 2020 - 07:48 AM

Disagree. If you are a retired LEO and packing they can ask you to leave. Assuming you comply, they have NO grounds to detain you or ask your name. They could call 911 to report a man with a gun, but when stopped the dispo is PROPER ID. There is simply no way they get to issue you a trespass, however, if they see you there again they could indeed have you arrested.
The general principle is that in a place open to the public such as a store or mall, there is a presumed license to be on the premises.
Once they revoke that license, you can not return or you are subject to arrest.
The things you speak of are after a person is caught stealing. That gives them a right to detain and identify you, and AFAIK if you do not cooperate, they call the PD and have you arrested for petit larceny. So most people cooperate and sign the trespass.
But this is different. You have broken no laws.

Retired Police, Retired Peace and Full Carry are civilians. Many of these stores allow an active Law Enforcement Officer to carry concealed. You can’t play the no ID part when packing a pistol and caught inside a private business or public government. Keep it concealed and there shouldn’t be a problem.

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Posted March 02 2020 - 09:36 AM

Not everyone can be a sheepdog, society has its sheep too. For those who have the means to defend themselves but don't believe they could drop the hammer or have the ability to safely respond to an active shooter event, it is fine to admit your limitations. My suggestion would be to take some classes and get the training needed to be able to protect the flock. If not, just don't carry.



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Posted March 02 2020 - 02:11 PM

Retired Police, Retired Peace and Full Carry are civilians. Many of these stores allow an active Law Enforcement Officer to carry concealed. You can’t play the no ID part when packing a pistol and caught inside a private business or public government. Keep it concealed and there shouldn’t be a problem.

Again they can only ask you to leave.

New York has no statute that criminalizes legal carry in a posted private premises.



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Posted March 02 2020 - 02:58 PM

Again they can only ask you to leave.
New York has no statute that criminalizes legal carry in a posted private premises.

Having an active trespass if the Police arrive will certainly be an affidavit on file for One Year if you do not leave. You are correct about a registered owner of a handgun not being charged criminally for the firearm. You can’t be charged even if the civilian was carrying out of restrictions. The county of issuance could suspend the license holder.

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Posted March 02 2020 - 03:56 PM

Having an active trespass if the Police arrive will certainly be an affidavit on file for One Year if you do not leave. You are correct about a registered owner of a handgun not being charged criminally for the firearm. You can’t be charged even if the civilian was carrying out of restrictions. The county of issuance could suspend the license holder.

You and I would not be suspended.



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Posted March 02 2020 - 03:59 PM

You and I would not be suspended.

One other thing...

While the malls "prohibit" weapons, they have armored car guards inside every day, and a number of the retailers hire armed guards (been there done that). So the "prohibition" is far from absolute.

When the retired LEO grabbed the robber at the watch store, and a shot was fired, he did not get a trespass.



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Posted March 02 2020 - 04:01 PM

Having an active trespass if the Police arrive will certainly be an affidavit on file for One Year if you do not leave. You are correct about a registered owner of a handgun not being charged criminally for the firearm. You can’t be charged even if the civilian was carrying out of restrictions. The county of issuance could suspend the license holder.

My point is that while they can detain shoplifters, they can not detain a legally armed patron. That is nothing but a lawsuit about to happen. They just tell you to leave.

The multiplex at Green Acres had this policy, and off duty cops and peace officers were routinely denied admission. They were NCPD only. No one got arrested or trespassed, they just left.



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Posted March 02 2020 - 08:54 PM

My point is that while they can detain shoplifters, they can not detain a legally armed patron. That is nothing but a lawsuit about to happen. They just tell you to leave.

The multiplex at Green Acres had this policy, and off duty cops and peace officers were routinely denied admission. They were NCPD only. No one got arrested or trespassed, they just left.

 

So....Let me get this right....I should shave half my head and cover it with tattoo's. Put an earing through both lips and ears and eyebrows. Have f--- y--- on my knuckles and a death to Whittie tat on my forehead and I'm cool. But a retired LEO shouldn't enter a mall if he has his gun. Hummm. OK I get it.



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Posted March 02 2020 - 09:35 PM

Unconstitutional laws are not laws at all.  Like the other fella said- keep it concealed







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