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Concealed carry at smithaven or Walt Whitman mall

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#1 Fully loaded

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Posted February 28 2020 - 11:12 AM

Good morning gentlemen, hypothetical question for your opinions, stopping at the food court in the mall with your gun on your person for a meal to or from the range, what’s ur thoughts?? All the book says is the place can’t be primary alcohol sales, doesn’t say where you can eat otherwise. Ps, I kno Concealed means concealed. 

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Posted February 28 2020 - 11:19 AM

http://www.2acheck.c...comment-page-1/

 

(Simon owns both malls.)    


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Posted February 28 2020 - 01:12 PM

Good morning gentlemen, hypothetical question for your opinions, stopping at the food court in the mall with your gun on your person for a meal to or from the range, what’s ur thoughts?? All the book says is the place can’t be primary alcohol sales, doesn’t say where you can eat otherwise. Ps, I kno Concealed means concealed. 
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You better make sure you are reasonably close to the range and residence and can prove you are going or coming from that range. You might want to check on the shopping malls policy regarding concealed carry as many will post a sign by the doors.

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Posted February 28 2020 - 02:53 PM

Signs ARE posted or at least they were.   Very small print near main entrances.   Regardless, both of these are owned by Simon- see link above.


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Posted February 28 2020 - 04:03 PM

The signs do not mean a thing. IF they see you carrying, and you have a full carry, all they can do is ask you to leave. There is no crime. If you do not leave, then it is trespassing.

OTOH if you do not have a full carry, that is different


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Posted February 28 2020 - 10:22 PM

The signs do not mean a thing. IF they see you carrying, and you have a full carry, all they can do is ask you to leave. There is no crime. If you do not leave, then it is trespassing.

OTOH if you do not have a full carry, that is different

 

No, they can ask you to leave, and NEVER come back.  Not that I'm a fan of malls much, but if you really like that food court ...

Also, if they have you escorted out, they WILL report it to law enforcement, who WILL report it to the licensing bureau, who likely will revoke your license.  Not that they can charge you with anything criminal (they cannot, so long as you leave when asked), but it's not as simple as saying that the signs are meaningless either.


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Posted February 29 2020 - 03:29 AM

No, they can ask you to leave, and NEVER come back.  Not that I'm a fan of malls much, but if you really like that food court ...

Also, if they have you escorted out, they WILL report it to law enforcement, who WILL report it to the licensing bureau, who likely will revoke your license.  Not that they can charge you with anything criminal (they cannot, so long as you leave when asked), but it's not as simple as saying that the signs are meaningless either.

A person with a full carry has committed no offense or rules violation to report as long as they left on demand


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Posted February 29 2020 - 08:23 AM

I cant see how they can hold you accountable if you have a full carry because look how small the print is on the signs and who reds those anyway?



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Posted February 29 2020 - 09:34 AM

Were would you like your mail sent Riverhead   or Yaphank  :taunt


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Posted February 29 2020 - 09:38 AM

No, they can ask you to leave, and NEVER come back.  Not that I'm a fan of malls much, but if you really like that food court ...
Also, if they have you escorted out, they WILL report it to law enforcement, who WILL report it to the licensing bureau, who likely will revoke your license.  Not that they can charge you with anything criminal (they cannot, so long as you leave when asked), but it's not as simple as saying that the signs are meaningless either.

By Law, If a private business tells you to never comeback, they probably will follow up with a Criminal Trespass Affidavit. That is a crime if you return. It was taught in the Academy to have a few locations pre written for Criminal Trespass and Larceny reports because of the amount of calls you have from those locations.
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Posted February 29 2020 - 10:20 AM

Keep it concealed and there will be no problem.


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Posted February 29 2020 - 02:30 PM

By Law, If a private business tells you to never comeback, they probably will follow up with a Criminal Trespass Affidavit. That is a crime if you return. It was taught in the Academy to have a few locations pre written for Criminal Trespass and Larceny reports because of the amount of calls you have from those locations.

That's right. But on the first trip there is no offense.



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Posted February 29 2020 - 10:37 PM

By that definition, my belt buckle, shoes laces, keys, and cell phone count as dangerous weapons. Keep it concealed...and as far as I know, as long as your are on the way to or from a range, they can’t fault you for stopping for food. OTOH, if you have purchased a bag full of stuff in the mall, they may be able to get you. But that’s just my 2 cents worth.

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Posted February 29 2020 - 11:42 PM

By Law, If a private business tells you to never comeback, they probably will follow up with a Criminal Trespass Affidavit. That is a crime if you return. It was taught in the Academy to have a few locations pre written for Criminal Trespass and Larceny reports because of the amount of calls you have from those locations.

Disagree. If you are a retired LEO and packing they can ask you to leave. Assuming you comply, they have NO grounds to detain you or ask your name. They could call 911 to report a man with a gun, but when stopped the dispo is PROPER ID. There is simply no way they get to issue you a trespass, however, if they see you there again they could indeed have you arrested.
The general principle is that in a place open to the public such as a store or mall, there is a presumed license to be on the premises.

Once they revoke that license, you can not return or you are subject to arrest.

The things you speak of are after a person is caught stealing. That gives them a right to detain and identify you, and AFAIK if you do not cooperate, they call the PD and have you arrested for petit larceny. So most people cooperate and sign the trespass.

But this is different. You have broken no laws.



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Posted March 01 2020 - 08:35 AM

Does one really need to go through all that aggravation in order to protect oneself from the hordes of dangerous soccer moms shopping at Lord & Taylor and Bloomingdales?


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Posted March 01 2020 - 09:13 AM

Does one really need to go through all that aggravation in order to protect oneself from the hordes of dangerous soccer moms shopping at Lord & Taylor and Bloomingdales?

It's not the hordes I'm worried about.... it is the rare chance I might be there and some nut decides to go postal

( example, was in the exact spot the day before when a trucker at costco decide to threaten people with a machete not to long ago. ) 



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Posted March 01 2020 - 09:36 AM

It's not the hordes I'm worried about.... it is the rare chance I might be there and some nut decides to go postal

( example, was in the exact spot the day before when a trucker at costco decide to threaten people with a machete not to long ago. ) 

I  agree. You cannot predict who. what or when someone will go bad. but you can be ready to face that situation. 



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Posted March 01 2020 - 09:58 AM

so shoot the guy with the machete ?   Except for deer, haven't shot anything else in a long time.   Even then my heart goes pitter patter and my hands shake.   Hope I don't miss, hit an innocent, lose my own freedom ?    Nope, time for 911 on my cell.



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Posted March 01 2020 - 05:27 PM

so shoot the guy with the machete ? snip

    Nope, time for 911 on my cell.

If needed... if I had no other choice , to protect myself and wife....  YES without a doubt



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Posted March 01 2020 - 06:16 PM

Does one really need to go through all that aggravation in order to protect oneself from the hordes of dangerous soccer moms shopping at Lord & Taylor and Bloomingdales?

Have you been to Green Acres lately?


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