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[HunterSports]

 

 

Come See The New Ruger PCC-9 Carbine At Hunter Sports!

 

LE HighCap/Threaded models in stock,

10 round NY compliant models inbound.

 

Come see us today!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hunter Sports, Inc.

4166 Sunrise Highway

Massapequa, NY  11758

(516) 799-7923

www.huntersports.com

[boosti]

Are dealers allowed to make the threaded barrel permanent and exchange the magazine to a 10 round Glock magazine.

[VolkoSupply]

How does it point?  I really don't like the look of the thing but it seems like it could be a great little rifle.

[TJ Ironhorse]

Thanks for letting us know. Youre gonna sell a bunch of these for sure. On that note, what is the price?

Edited by TJ Ironhorse, January 12 2018 - 02:42 PM.

[SigSauer228]

I'll wait for Ruger to release one in .45

[TJ Ironhorse]

I'll wait for Ruger to release one in .45

Sig we know its gonna happen. Just a matter of when. I like the idea of th 45 more than the 9 mm

[DarkStorm]

Are dealers allowed to make the threaded barrel permanent and exchange the magazine to a 10 round Glock magazine.

 

Negative, Federal law prohibits a DEALER from modifying a new inventory item in such a manner.  It can only me modified by a manufacturer.

[EKGZO]

Negative, Federal law prohibits a DEALER from modifying a new inventory item in such a manner.  It can only me modified by a manufacturer.

I've been looking for this written somewhere. Is it any sort of code or is it written vaguely in some ATF memo?

[SigSauer228]

Are dealers allowed to make the threaded barrel permanent and exchange the magazine to a 10 round Glock magazine.

 

Why would you need a dealer to do that when the manufacture is going to release a version that is legal for you to own ?

[Camaro45th]

Why would you need a dealer to do that when the manufacture is going to release a version that is legal for you to own ?

probably doesn’t want to wait.

[boosti]

Why would you need a dealer to do that when the manufacture is going to release a version that is legal for you to own ?

I thought a dealer with a manufacturer license was able to perform minor alterations to make a firearm compliant like what many shops did with AR uppers pinned or weld a barrel.

[Camaro45th]

I thought a dealer with a manufacturer license was able to perform minor alterations to make a firearm compliant like what many shops did with AR uppers pinned or weld a barrel.

I could be wrong but isn’t that what happened a few years ago when many of the gun shop owners were arrested for that? Or is that something different?

[DarkStorm]

I thought a dealer with a manufacturer license was able to perform minor alterations to make a firearm compliant like what many shops did with AR uppers pinned or weld a barrel.

 

A MANUFACTURER can "re-manufacturer" a firearm.  In doing so, they must engrave their license name and location (City State) on the firearm and pay any applicable excise tax (couple ways to calculate, but usually 11% of 75% of the retail of the firearm)  The excise tax is a mess because, generally, you don't know how much credit to take from what the original manufacturer paid.  The way the system is supposed to work is the original manufacturer transfers the firearm without paying any FAET so then the re-manufacturer or upfitter pays the full tax.  There are also additional record keeping and form filing requirements.

 

Not that it can't be done, but quickly it becomes not economical to do and follow the law.  

[DarkStorm]

I could be wrong but isn’t that what happened a few years ago when many of the gun shop owners were arrested for that? Or is that something different?

 

Yes and no.  Like most things, it was much more complicated. 

[DarkStorm]

I've been looking for this written somewhere. Is it any sort of code or is it written vaguely in some ATF memo?

 

It's written into a lot of different sections of the federal law.  The ATF has issued a number of memo's and clarifications over the years.  We requested a clarification on it about the Beretta M9A3 (threaded barrel).  PM me your email and I will send you a copy of the response.

[boosti]

It's written into a lot of different sections of the federal law.  The ATF has issued a number of memo's and clarifications over the years.  We requested a clarification on it about the Beretta M9A3 (threaded barrel).  PM me your email and I will send you a copy of the response.

Threaded barrels on a semi automatic pistol are not allowed.
One of the gun shops upstate sold a Walther .22 with that feature, the poor guy went back to SCPD to put it on his pistol license.

[PerfectoShot]

Threaded barrels on a semi automatic pistol are not allowed.
One of the gun shops upstate sold a Walther .22 with that feature, the poor guy went back to SCPD to put it on his pistol license.

P22 has this concealable thread feature inside the slide which many gunshops aren’t even aware of it so SCPD might not either.

[boosti]

P22 has this concealable thread feature inside the slide which many gunshops aren’t even aware of it so SCPD might not either.

SCPD caught it fine. The gunshop had to take the gun back.

[ProGodProGunProLife]

A MANUFACTURER can "re-manufacturer" a firearm.  In doing so, they must engrave their license name and location (City State) on the firearm and pay any applicable excise tax (couple ways to calculate, but usually 11% of 75% of the retail of the firearm)  The excise tax is a mess because, generally, you don't know how much credit to take from what the original manufacturer paid.  The way the system is supposed to work is the original manufacturer transfers the firearm without paying any FAET so then the re-manufacturer or upfitter pays the full tax.  There are also additional record keeping and form filing requirements.

 

Not that it can't be done, but quickly it becomes not economical to do and follow the law.  

 

It sounds like the main purpose of this law is to prevent manufacturers from dodging excise tax by selling bare bones guns to dealers, paying a lower excise tax, and having the dealers add valuable enhancements, excise tax free.

 

From what I understand, if a buyer could legally take possession of a gun from the dealer, he could immediately hand it back to the dealer and pay him to do the same work (getting rid of threads or other evil features) as gunsmithing work.  But it is a catch-22, because the dealer can't modify it without first selling it and the purchaser can't buy it without it first being modified.  Perhaps a more pro-gun ATF under the current administration might change this ruling.  

[Brooklynite]

If Ruger starts producing NYC legal 5rd mags. I’ll pick one up immediately. (Or can I legally block a g26 mag to 5rds?)
It is much uglier than it needs to be. But once the aftermarket gets going we should have more stock options.