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#41 samwag

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Posted April 19 2017 - 04:51 PM

i guess i have i am not as smart as you

 

 

'I hope so. The only reasons I voted for him was for the Supreme Court nomination and gun rights "

 

 

so you voted for him and bash him

 

but those that support him so far are the dumb ones



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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:00 PM

On Tuesday, Trump signed an executive order that directed federal agencies to implement a "Buy American, Hire American" strategy. The order included a section geared at immigration reform.

The order tasked four department heads (including the Secretary of Labor, who has yet to be confirmed) to suggest reforms to ensure H-1B visas are given to the "most-skilled or highest paid" petitioners. Additionally, it asked them to propose new rules and guidance for preventing fraud and abuse of work visas.

 

 

something steyr supports

 

but silence from him 


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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:19 PM

And you really believe that his millionaire feet were to bad to serve. You have drank the koolaid.


The best was when that info first came out in the election, they asked him which foot, and he couldn't even say. He didn't remember! It must have been a serious affliction.
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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:27 PM

steyr

"Its too bad you dont feel the same way about yours"



hmmmmmmmmmmmm


you kill me


You are too funny. You state that "he is superior to you and me in every sense of the word,when it comes to success. " then you criticize me for mentioning your self professed feeling of having a lesser personal success.

You can't have it both ways. I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you feel that he is more successful than you. You clearly think successful means rich. I have no such illusion.

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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:28 PM

i guess i have i am not as smart as you
 
 
'I hope so. The only reasons I voted for him was for the Supreme Court nomination and gun rights "
 
 
so you voted for him and bash him
 
but those that support him so far are the dumb ones

I never called anyone dumb. Im simply stating that nobody will call him out on his bs or truly doesnt see it. Instead they attack the ones bringing it up and call me names and a woman / child beater lol, Thats all. Yes i did vote for him, does that mean i cant scrutinize him when he blatantly lies?

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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:36 PM

You are too funny. You state that "he is superior to you and me in every sense of the word,when it comes to success. " then you criticize me for mentioning your self professed feeling of having a lesser personal success.

You can't have it both ways. I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you feel that he is more successful than you. You clearly think successful means rich. I have no such illusion.

"he is self important his achievements warrant it he is superior to you and me in every sense of the word,when it comes to success. "

 

the discussion is about politics and business success

 

i dont you personally how would i be qualified to offer any opinion nor would i

my personal life stays where it belongs personal

 

all of my comments are directed at what you post i dont really know you are this is the internet



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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:38 PM

 "You have drank the koolaid."

 

sorry dumb is not correct

 

i am too stupid to actually decide for myself because i drank the cool aid

 

better? 



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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:53 PM

Koolaid as in purposefully turning a blind eye, jumped on the trump train and never looked back. Should have said that instead, sorry.

 "You have drank the koolaid."
 
sorry dumb is not correct
 
i am too stupid to actually decide for myself because i drank the cool aid
 
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Posted April 19 2017 - 05:54 PM

 

On Tuesday, Trump signed an executive order that directed federal agencies to implement a "Buy American, Hire American" strategy. The order included a section geared at immigration reform.

The order tasked four department heads (including the Secretary of Labor, who has yet to be confirmed) to suggest reforms to ensure H-1B visas are given to the "most-skilled or highest paid" petitioners. Additionally, it asked them to propose new rules and guidance for preventing fraud and abuse of work visas.

 

 

something steyr supports

 

but silence from him 

 

I have a question, and this does not really involve anything Trump:

If the H1-B's are only going to the highest paid or most skilled, for a given number of H1-B's. doesn't that mean we are just exporting MORE of our money out of the country? Or is he planning on restricting the NUMBER of H1-B's? 



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Posted April 19 2017 - 06:30 PM

decide for your self what it means     Trump takes first step toward H-1B reform - Apr. 18, 2017 - CNN Money
money.cnn.com/2017/04/18/technology/h1b-reform/
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1 day ago - On Tuesday, Trump signed an executive order that directed federal agencies to implement a "Buy American, Hire American" strategy. The order ...
H-1B visa holders may get more expensive, more educated - USA Today
21 hours ago - President Donald Trump signed an executive order to scale back the ... Government agencies are to suggest reforms that ensure H-1B visas go ...
Trump will sign an executive order reviewing high-skilled H-1B ...
2 days ago - U.S. President Donald Trump will order a full review of the country's ... The agency is also instructed to suggest reforms so that visas only land ...
H1B Visa: How Donald Trump Wants to Change It | Fortune.com
fortune.com/2017/04/18/h1b-visa-donald-trump/
1 day ago - President Trump is set to sign a "Buy American, Hire American" executive ... Homeland Security, and State to suggest reforms to the H-1B visa ...
H1B Visa Bills - Latest News Updates, Reforms, Passed Status – 2017 ...
Mar 30, 2017 - H1B Visa Bill Updates 2017 by Trump Administration and News ... all the H1B Visa Bills that are introduced in 2017 under President Trump ...
H-1B Visa Reform, Sought By Trump, Depends On Congress : All Tech ...
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Feb 28, 2017 - But it's Congress that holds the power to fundamentally reform the ... Trump May Weigh In On H-1B Visas, But Major Reform Depends On ...
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Posted April 19 2017 - 06:40 PM

Every point I made it solid, it just goes over your head. Please go back to my other posts, what have I said that isnt true? I'd like to know. Did he not dodge a draft? Lets start there.

 

You made no points...just a bunch of whiney complaints....

And Im not here to answer your dumb questions. or to answer to you. 

The only thing I can say is "SORRY" your candidate lost.

Support the president or go help elect one you like. 

 

Whining like a sore loser does nothing to help your cause

 

BTW - I REALLY like how you took one of my posts and quoted it like it was a reply to one of your posts....

You are the type that just loves to be the victim,,,,the victim of something..anything...but loves to play victim,,,Thats sick!!



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Posted April 19 2017 - 07:01 PM

You made no points...just a bunch of whiney complaints....
And Im not here to answer your dumb questions. or to answer to you. 
The only thing I can say is "SORRY" your candidate lost.
Support the president or go help elect one you like. 
 
Whining like a sore loser does nothing to help your cause
 
BTW - I REALLY like how you took one of my posts and quoted it like it was a reply to one of your posts....
You are the type that just loves to be the victim,,,,the victim of something..anything...but loves to play victim,,,Thats sick!!

My point exactly, i made factual statements but too you its just whining. And i voted for trump im just man enough too call out his flaws, not cover for them. Maybe go back and reread my posts but with your head out of your ass this time. Oh and sorry i guess beating your wife and kids was ment for steyr, woops.

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Posted April 19 2017 - 07:16 PM

When he does something right by us i will cheer him. When he doesnt something wrong i will not make excuses for him. What is so hard too understand about that??

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Posted April 19 2017 - 11:16 PM

My point exactly, i made factual statements but too you its just whining. And i voted for trump im just man enough too call out his flaws, not cover for them. Maybe go back and reread my posts but with your head out of your ass this time. Oh and sorry i guess beating your wife and kids was ment for steyr, woops.


You are finally getting it. Most of the brothers on this site are the typical Trump fanboys. They pride themselves on having absolutely no interest in attempting to defend the indefensible. Just as in the case of their fearless leader, they lob absurd statements and ridiculous allegations, that have no basis in reality. Then when challenged,  they deflect, divert, and act as if they never said anything. When you point out their inconsistencies, they conveniently pretend they never saw the post, and instead just belch out more absurd drivel. They figure if they label your posts "whining", they dont have to answer it. They claim they dont have to answer anything, which is by itself, a complete contradiction of the purpose of message boards like this. these sites exist to enable a back and forth exchange of ideas. their problem is that their ideas are intellectually bankrupt.

 

They answer facts with insults and ad hominem attacks, which i might add, are quite popular and considered most proper with this crowd on this site.  Myself being used to a more spirited exchange of ideas on message boards, i was a bit taken aback at first with the general level of political discourse here. The brothers here are indeed very knowledgeable about firearms, and they share their knowledge freely and fully. they are on point and are able to articulate that subject matter to a fine granularity. 

 

However, when switching to politics, that adeptness and attention to detail on the subject at hand goes right out the window. Most posts are just very base grunting insults and childish attacks, reminiscent of schoolyard insults of our youth. Again, just as in the case of the object of their cult-like devotion, they are unable to veer off of the prepared talking points, which always contain terms like "free stuff army, job creators, personal responsibility, the founders, libtard, RINO, free market", etc..., and of course their perennial favorite - the "S word", socialism. Every response will center around at least one of those terms, in which their orthodoxy is infallible and can not be questioned.  It's as if they are programmed to just spout the conservative party line, without any independent thought. If you attempt to delve deeper, there is nothing there. For example "Socialism is evil" is a holy truth and can not be questioned. You will never get an intelligent response. You will be called all kinds of names, such as "libtard" and your patriotism, and indeed your manhood, will be questioned.

 

Question how a system such as capitalism, which allows so many to be unemployed, while at the same time allows so much manufacturing capacity and huge industrial facilities across the country to remain idle, can be such a good system. Ask how such a perverted, obscene economic system will allow companies who lay off American workers, and outsource jobs out of the country,  to get rewarded with increased stock prices on Wall street, as well as increased dividends to shareholders and huge increases in the salary and bonuses of the CEO. Why do we have a system that rewards actions that clearly are not in the best interest of the American workforce. They will drag out their buzzwords and immediately revert to the conservative party talking points, without actually being able to justify those destructive actions which have decimated our economy over the last few decades. They will find themselves in the same impossible position as that of Sean Spicer, who everyday has to defend the indefensible, and put a positive spin on the most negative concepts. They will bend over backwards trying to defend actions that are clearly against the interest of most American workers. The same brothers who voted for Trump because he said he will bring the factory jobs back, will actually post on this board defending the closing of American factories and the firing of workers. Truly bizarro world.

 

They live in bizzarro world, where up is down, a negative is a plus, and there are no untruths, just alternative facts.

 

 

Again, they have no ability to intelligently defend their position. They are all blunderbuss, trying to prop up the statements and actions of a masterful (in his own mind) con man and hustler who is in way over his head. Remember, there are over three million more people who voted for his opponent rather than him, and it eats at him so much that he doesnt miss an opportunity to try to bullshit about what an "electoral landslide" he won. This alone, aside from being another lie, is a pathetic claim to brag about. The truly concerning thing is that he doesnt understand the reality of the concept "Who the hell brags about losing the popular vote???".

 

He is such a deeply broken man. After I saw that interview by that old guy from that celebrity gossip show walking around trump tower, and he showed him the room full of magazine covers that he was on the cover of, and said to take one, and was pointing to photos on the wall of him taken with various celebrities over the years, it hit me. he is such a sad, emotionally  fragile man. Totally unfit for the unexpected position he finds himself in. His insecurity is palpable. i felt bad after seeing that. his fawning over the celebrities from the 80's and 90's was just the last straw. he is overgrown child, who just has nothing more than the deepest desire to be loved and admired by people. Thats literally all he wants. he wants to be recognized and be admired by people. i did walk away from that show feeling genuinely sad for him, until i remembered that he is now the most powerful man in the world. Then i felt sick.


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Posted April 19 2017 - 11:24 PM

On Tuesday, Trump signed an executive order that directed federal agencies to implement a "Buy American, Hire American" strategy. The order included a section geared at immigration reform.
The order tasked four department heads (including the Secretary of Labor, who has yet to be confirmed) to suggest reforms to ensure H-1B visas are given to the "most-skilled or highest paid" petitioners. Additionally, it asked them to propose new rules and guidance for preventing fraud and abuse of work visas.
 
 
something steyr supports
 
but silence from him



YET NO REPLY?

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Posted April 20 2017 - 01:27 AM

YET NO REPLY?

 

OK, if you insist.

 

First lets look at the motivation of his press op in Wisconsin. That state was one of the three states that the Senate Intelligence Commitee determined Russia had targeted with 1,000 internet trolls working from a factory in Russia to spread anti-Clinton fake news before the election.

 

Russia hired 1,000 people to create anti-Clinton 'fake news' in key US states during election, Trump-Russia hearings leader reveals

 

"Senator Mark Warner, the Democrat ranking member, and chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Republican Senator Richard Burr, appeared together at a press conference to give an update on the investigation ahead of the first witnesses appearing today. Mr Warner said:

what really concerns me as a former tech guy is at least some reports – and we’ve got to get to the bottom of this – that there were upwards of a thousand internet trolls working out of a facility in Russia, in effect taking over a series of computers which are then called botnets, that can then generate news down to specific areas.

“It’s been reported to me, and we’ve got to find this out, whether they were able to affect specific areas in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, where you would not have been receiving off of whoever your vendor might have been, Trump versus Clinton, during the waning days of the election, but instead, ‘Clinton is sick’, or ‘Clinton is taking money from whoever for some source’ … fake news.

“An outside foreign adversary effectively sought to hi-jack the most critical democratic process, the election of a President, and in that process, decided to favour one candidate over another.”

The key states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania which Mr Warner named all fell narrowly - and unexpectedly - to Trump.

Journalist Adam Chen, now a staff writer at the New Yorker but a freelancer when he investigated alleged interference in the US election, claimed in a podcast with Longform that a large number of Russian trolls were now churning out support for Mr Trump

“I created this list of Russian trolls when I was researching. And I check on it once in a while, still. And a lot of them have turned into conservative accounts, like fake conservatives. I don't know what's going on, but they're all tweeting about Donald Trump and stuff," he said."

 

 

So we see the motivation for going there, he wanted to whip up support in a state that he knew was bamboozled by Russia, who targeted low information, non-critical thinking news consumers. These voters took the bait and fell for the fake news, thereby causing the state to fall for him.

 

Second, After reading the actual order, rather than a news story about same, including the United States Code it references: 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens, the usual weasel words are evident, which renders the whole thing basically ineffectual. Throughout almost every paragraph, there is that term "consistent with applicable law". Basically its "We intend to do A,B,C, consistent with applicable law". 

For example - They want to buy US made steel, but applicable law still lets them buy the cheapest available, so they can and will.

 

example "Every agency shall scrupulously monitor, enforce, and comply with Buy American Laws, to the extent they apply, and minimize the use of waivers, consistent with applicable law." 

That means that the legal limit is still 65,000 H-1B visas for foreigners to come here to work, with 20,000 Masters degree educated foreigners not subject to the cap. Its business as usual for companies utilizing that type of visa to hire foreign workers.

 

Just so there is no confusion to anyone when they weasel out of it in the future, the end paragraph of the Executive Order states:

 

Sec. 6.  General Provisions.  (a)  Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i)    the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof;
 
(ii)   the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals; or
 
(iii)  existing rights or obligations under international agreements.

 

( b ) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

© This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

 

It says the order should not be construed to affect and executive department or agency. These are the executive departments: State, Treasury, Justice, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, Defense, Health, and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Energy, Education, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security.

 

Please demonstrate to me any how any order that clearly states that it doesnt affect any of these federal agencies can accomplish anything.

Look at that last line of the order. It says, like every executive order, they cant even be taken to court to force the implementation of its provisions. They have no force. Anyone with discernment can see that. How many brothers on this board saw that story, on the site of one of their favorite objects of mockery, CNN, actually bothered to go and read the order from top to bottom? If they did, they wouldnt be high-fiving each other over it.

 

Third. Assuming nobody actually read the thing and discovered it to be nothing but fluff and vapor, and instead relied on the info-tainment cable news channels, this news must have been very disheartening for true conservatives, who eschew any government meddling which leads to it "choosing winners and losers in the free market".

 

You can all rest assured, you have nothing to worry about from this order.

 

 

 

 

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Posted April 20 2017 - 04:45 AM

we are the problem? 

 

have you looked at who started this thread and the title

 

you enter this thread to crap all over the president and those that support him

 

you are truly a class act

 

 

on a pro gun site the president of the united states of america has declared he will talk at the nra convention ,first since reagen. And you and a few others have taken this as an opportunity to bash him and members on this site instead of rejoicing there might be a chance the president might have our back

 

you must be great at parties when you tell the host the dip sucks 



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Posted April 20 2017 - 05:57 AM

You are finally getting it. Most of the brothers on this site are the typical Trump fanboys. They pride themselves on having absolutely no interest in attempting to defend the indefensible. Just as in the case of their fearless leader, they lob absurd statements and ridiculous allegations, that have no basis in reality. Then when challenged, they deflect, divert, and act as if they never said anything. When you point out their inconsistencies, they conveniently pretend they never saw the post, and instead just belch out more absurd drivel. They figure if they label your posts "whining", they dont have to answer it. They claim they dont have to answer anything, which is by itself, a complete contradiction of the purpose of message boards like this. these sites exist to enable a back and forth exchange of ideas. their problem is that their ideas are intellectually bankrupt.

They answer facts with insults and ad hominem attacks, which i might add, are quite popular and considered most proper with this crowd on this site. Myself being used to a more spirited exchange of ideas on message boards, i was a bit taken aback at first with the general level of political discourse here. The brothers here are indeed very knowledgeable about firearms, and they share their knowledge freely and fully. they are on point and are able to articulate that subject matter to a fine granularity.


However, when switching to politics, that adeptness and attention to detail on the subject at hand goes right out the window. Most posts are just very base grunting insults and childish attacks, reminiscent of schoolyard insults of our youth. Again, just as in the case of the object of their cult-like devotion, they are unable to veer off of the prepared talking points, which always contain terms like "free stuff army, job creators, personal responsibility, the founders, libtard, RINO, free market", etc..., and of course their perennial favorite - the "S word", socialism. Every response will center around at least one of those terms, in which their orthodoxy is infallible and can not be questioned. It's as if they are programmed to just spout the conservative party line, without any independent thought. If you attempt to delve deeper, there is nothing there. For example "Socialism is evil" is a holy truth and can not be questioned. You will never get an intelligent response. You will be called all kinds of names, such as "libtard" and your patriotism, and indeed your manhood, will be questioned.

Question how a system such as capitalism, which allows so many to be unemployed, while at the same time allows so much manufacturing capacity and huge industrial facilities across the country to remain idle, can be such a good system. Ask how such a perverted, obscene economic system will allow companies who lay off American workers, and outsource jobs out of the country, to get rewarded with increased stock prices on Wall street, as well as increased dividends to shareholders and huge increases in the salary and bonuses of the CEO. Why do we have a system that rewards actions that clearly are not in the best interest of the American workforce. They will drag out their buzzwords and immediately revert to the conservative party talking points, without actually being able to justify those destructive actions which have decimated our economy over the last few decades. They will find themselves in the same impossible position as that of Sean Spicer, who everyday has to defend the indefensible, and put a positive spin on the most negative concepts. They will bend over backwards trying to defend actions that are clearly against the interest of most American workers. The same brothers who voted for Trump because he said he will bring the factory jobs back, will actually post on this board defending the closing of American factories and the firing of workers. Truly bizarro world.

They live in bizzarro world, where up is down, a negative is a plus, and there are no untruths, just alternative facts.



Again, they have no ability to intelligently defend their position. They are all blunderbuss, trying to prop up the statements and actions of a masterful (in his own mind) con man and hustler who is in way over his head. Remember, there are over three million more people who voted for his opponent rather than him, and it eats at him so much that he doesnt miss an opportunity to try to bullshit about what an "electoral landslide" he won. This alone, aside from being another lie, is a pathetic claim to brag about. The truly concerning thing is that he doesnt understand the reality of the concept "Who the hell brags about losing the popular vote???".

He is such a deeply broken man. After I saw that interview by that old guy from that celebrity gossip show walking around trump tower, and he showed him the room full of magazine covers that he was on the cover of, and said to take one, and was pointing to photos on the wall of him taken with various celebrities over the years, it hit me. he is such a sad, emotionally fragile man. Totally unfit for the unexpected position he finds himself in. His insecurity is palpable. i felt bad after seeing that. his fawning over the celebrities from the 80's and 90's was just the last straw. he is overgrown child, who just has nothing more than the deepest desire to be loved and admired by people. Thats literally all he wants. he wants to be recognized and be admired by people. i did walk away from that show feeling genuinely sad for him, until i remembered that he is now the most powerful man in the world. Then i felt sick.

So when are you going to publish your manifesto?

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Posted April 20 2017 - 07:09 AM

we are the problem?

have you looked at who started this thread and the title

you enter this thread to crap all over the president and those that support him

you are truly a class act


on a pro gun site the president of the united states of america has declared he will talk at the nra convention ,first since reagen. And you and a few others have taken this as an opportunity to bash him and members on this site instead of rejoicing there might be a chance the president might have our back

you must be great at parties when you tell the host the dip sucks


Really? For real?

Brothers on this site have been crapping all over the president and those that support him for the last 8 years. I don't remember seeing this righteous indignation.

So it's clearly not the office you are standing up for. It must be the leader of your movement. Say what you mean plainly. Don't cloak it in some kind of false patriotism.

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Posted April 20 2017 - 07:34 AM

 

On Tuesday, Trump signed an executive order that directed federal agencies to implement a "Buy American, Hire American" strategy. The order included a section geared at immigration reform.

The order tasked four department heads (including the Secretary of Labor, who has yet to be confirmed) to suggest reforms to ensure H-1B visas are given to the "most-skilled or highest paid" petitioners. Additionally, it asked them to propose new rules and guidance for preventing fraud and abuse of work visas.

 

 

something steyr supports

 

but silence from him 

 

 

 

Since I am sure you read the order from top to bottom, please tell us what it actually accomplishes for us.

 

Spoiler alert: I dont expect an answer from brother Sam, but I welcome one nonetheless.







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