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#21 set2374

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Posted October 14 2016 - 02:26 PM

I believe Target is shipping to your door now and free shipping on bulk orders check it out.

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/


I order from target every month. Their prices are decent, especially since there are no transfer fees or taxes. I do find that I have to always check their site because they burn through their inventory quickly. As far as I know, they are the only internet supplier that will ship to your home. The others aren't willing to chance it, even though I can't any legal basis for why they can't.
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#22 set2374

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Posted October 14 2016 - 02:43 PM

seems like 30 cents a round for 5.56 (if you buy a case) is a good price nowadays, higher for the usually more expensive, less for steel cased.


Shopping online at Target or other similar sellers, I usually spend around .32-35 cents foreign made brass-cased ammo (korean green tips, PMC, Fiocchi etc). You can get steel wolf ammo (and similar crap) for .24-27 cents a round. If you get lucky, US made brass starts at around .37. If you're looking for anything fancier, big name US brands are going should run around 20-25% less than you'll find at a LGS. If you don't want to shop online, Dick's runs pretty good sales every few weeks on 5.56 ($54 for 150 rounds). Unfortunately, they go fast so you may be making the trip for nothing.

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Posted October 14 2016 - 06:24 PM

I thought it was a no-no also until i saw this on there website.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo has agreed to suspend plans for background checks for ammunition sales in New York and allow internet sales of ammunition, changing part of the NY Safe Act, according to state Sen. James Seward.

Someone explain that to all dealers that won't ship to NYS.

#24 Blade21

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Posted October 15 2016 - 07:13 AM

Someone explain that to all dealers that won't ship to NYS.

Nobody wants to take a chance with Cuomo stupid law

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Posted October 15 2016 - 03:19 PM

I order from target every month. Their prices are decent, especially since there are no transfer fees or taxes. I do find that I have to always check their site because they burn through their inventory quickly. As far as I know, they are the only internet supplier that will ship to your home. The others aren't willing to chance it, even though I can't any legal basis for why they can't.


Just placed an order with target for some ammo.

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Posted October 24 2016 - 07:56 PM

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I thought it was a no-no also until i saw this on there website.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo has agreed to suspend plans for background checks for ammunition sales in New York and allow internet sales of ammunition, changing part of the NY Safe Act, according to state Sen. James Seward.


Can you show me where you saw this on their site.??

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Posted October 24 2016 - 08:30 PM

Someone explain that to all dealers that won't ship to NYS.


Targetsports posted it on the Internet so it must be true.
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Posted October 25 2016 - 07:42 AM

https://www.targetsp...com/t-news.aspx
I spoke to the NY State Police and couldn't get a definite answer.

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#29 firemanvin

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Posted October 25 2016 - 10:46 AM

The past couple of times I bought ammo I went to DSI and did it the old fashioned way. Very competitive prices and it's always fun to shop around for your next big acquisition.

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Posted October 25 2016 - 03:15 PM

Targetsportsusa.com is GTG



#31 Lou G

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Posted October 25 2016 - 04:33 PM

Called to inquire about my permit to ship to NY. Lady said it wasn't necessary because shipping to NY is legal



#32 TJ Ironhorse

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Posted October 25 2016 - 11:05 PM

Maybe we can stop trying to give targetsports a reason to stop sending to our houses. Leave it alone and just order from them.
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Posted October 26 2016 - 09:17 PM


Targetsports posted it on the Internet so it must be true.


It's written in plain English in the law that it can't take effect until the database is set up. Everyone else is just playing it safe.

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Posted November 15 2016 - 06:02 PM

http://www.munireusa...ct-to-customer/

 

Also shipping direct to NY customers.


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Posted November 15 2016 - 06:14 PM

I use Freedom Ammunition out of Ohio.  They ship directly to my door, often.  


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Posted November 15 2016 - 07:41 PM

https://www.targetsp...com/t-news.aspx
I spoke to the NY State Police and couldn't get a definite answer.

 

 

Are you serious? Why on earth would you do that?


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Posted November 15 2016 - 07:45 PM

Since when?

 

Technically, since the law was passed. If you read the law carefully, until the functioning data base is in place, none of the provisions for sellers of ammunition, background checks or F2F ammo sales have any effect. The database is the prerequisite for everything.

 

However, most on line retailers still run scared and always have. Target Sports is the only one I know of that doesn't.


Edited by BLAMMO, November 15 2016 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted November 16 2016 - 06:47 AM

It's written in plain English in the law that it can't take effect until the database is set up. Everyone else is just playing it safe.


Source? Id like to see the part where it says "until the database is set up"

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Posted November 16 2016 - 07:08 AM

Source? Id like to see the part where it says "until the database is set up"

 

 

Here are all the sections from the SAFE Act pertaining to sellers of ammunition and ammo sales. 265.24, 400.02 and 400.03. They should just delete them. It's low hanging fruit.

 

See the part I highlighted all the way at the bottom.

 

§ 265.00 Definitions.
...
24. "Seller of ammunition" means any person, firm, partnership,
corporation or company who engages in the business of purchasing,
selling or keeping ammunition.
...

§ 400.02 Statewide license and record database.
There shall be a statewide license and record database which shall be
created and maintained by the division of state police the cost of which
shall not be borne by any municipality. Records assembled or collected
for purposes of inclusion in such database shall not be subject to
disclosure pursuant to article six of the public officers law. Records
containing granted license applications shall be periodically checked by
the division of criminal justice services against criminal conviction,
mental health, and all other records as are necessary to determine their
continued accuracy as well as whether an individual is no longer a valid
license holder. The division of criminal justice services shall also
check pending applications made pursuant to this article against such
records to determine whether a license may be granted. All state
agencies shall cooperate with the division of criminal justice services,
as otherwise authorized by law, in making their records available for
such checks. The division of criminal justice services, upon determining
that an individual is ineligible to possess a license, or is no longer a
valid license holder, shall notify the applicable licensing official of
such determination and such licensing official shall not issue a license
or revoke such license and any weapons owned or possessed by such
individual shall be removed consistent with the provisions of
subdivision eleven of section 400.00 of this article. Local and state
law enforcement shall have access to such database, as otherwise
authorized by law, in the performance of their duties. Records assembled
or collected for purposes of inclusion in the database established by
this section shall be released pursuant to a court order.


§ 400.03 Sellers of ammunition.
1. A seller of ammunition as defined in subdivision twenty-four of
section 265.00 of this chapter shall register with the superintendent of
state police in a manner provided by the superintendent. Any dealer in
firearms that is validly licensed pursuant to section 400.00 of this
article shall not be required to complete such registration.
2. Any seller of ammunition or dealer in firearms shall keep a record
book approved as to form by the superintendent of state police. In the
record book shall be entered at the time of every transaction involving
ammunition the date, name, age, occupation and residence of any person
from whom ammunition is received or to whom ammunition is delivered, and
the amount, calibre, manufacturer's name and serial number, or if none,
any other distinguishing number or identification mark on such
ammunition. The record book shall be maintained on the premises
mentioned and described in the license and shall be open at all
reasonable hours for inspection by any peace officer, acting pursuant to
his or her special duties, or police officer. Any record produced
pursuant to this section and any transmission thereof to any government
agency shall not be considered a public record for purposes of article
six of the public officers law.
3. No later than thirty days after the superintendent of the state
police certifies that the statewide license and record database
established pursuant to section 400.02 of this article is operational
for the purposes of this section, a dealer in firearms licensed pursuant
to section 400.00 of this article, a seller of ammunition as defined in
subdivision twenty-four of section 265.00 of this chapter shall not
transfer any ammunition to any other person who is not a dealer in
firearms as defined in subdivision nine of such section 265.00 or a
seller of ammunition as defined in subdivision twenty-four of section
265.00 of this chapter, unless:
(a) before the completion of the transfer, the licensee or seller
contacts the statewide license and record database and provides the
database with information sufficient to identify such dealer or seller,
transferee based on information on the transferee's identification
document as defined in paragraph © of this subdivision, as well as the
amount, calibre, manufacturer's name and serial number, if any, of such
ammunition;
( B) the system provides the licensee or seller with a unique
identification number; and
© the transferor has verified the identity of the transferee by
examining a valid state identification document of the transferee issued
by the department of motor vehicles or if the transferee is not a
resident of the state of New York, a valid identification document
issued by the transferee's state or country of residence containing a
photograph of the transferee.
4. If the database determines that the purchaser of ammunition is
eligible to possess ammunition pursuant to state and federal laws, the
system shall:
(a) assign a unique identification number to the transfer; and
( B) provide the licensee or seller with the number.
5. If the statewide license and record database notifies the licensee
or seller that the information available to the database does not
demonstrate that the receipt of ammunition by such other person would
violate 18 U.S.C. 922(g) or state law, and the licensee transfers
ammunition to such other person, the licensee shall indicate to the
database that such transaction has been completed at which point a
record of such transaction shall be created which shall be accessible by
the division of state police and maintained for no longer than one year

from point of purchase, which shall not be incorporated into the
database established pursuant to section 400.02 of this article or the
registry established pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00
of this article. The division of state police may share such information
with a local law enforcement agency. Evidence of the purchase of
ammunition is not sufficient to establish probable cause to believe that
the purchaser has committed a crime absent other information tending to
prove the commission of a crime. Records assembled or accessed pursuant
to this section shall not be subject to disclosure pursuant to article
six of the public officers law. This requirement of this section shall
not apply (i) if a background check cannot be completed because the
system is not operational as determined by the superintendent of state
police, or where it cannot be accessed by the practitioner due to a
temporary technological or electrical failure, as set forth in
regulation, or (ii) a dealer or seller has been granted a waiver from
conducting such background check if the superintendent of state police
determines that such dealer is incapable of such check due to
technological limitations that are not reasonably within the control of
the dealer, or other exceptional circumstances demonstrated by the
dealer, pursuant to a process established in regulation, and at the
discretion of such superintendent.
6. If the superintendent of state police certifies that background
checks of ammunition purchasers may be conducted through the national
instant criminal background check system, use of that system by a dealer
or seller shall be sufficient to satisfy subdivisions four and five of
this section and such checks shall be conducted through such system,
provided that a record of such transaction shall be forwarded to the
state police in a form determined by the superintendent.
7. No commercial transfer of ammunition shall take place unless a
licensed dealer in firearms or registered seller of ammunition acts as
an intermediary between the transferor and the ultimate transferee of
the ammunition
for the purposes of contacting the statewide license and
record database pursuant to this section.
Such transfer between the
dealer or seller, and transferee must occur in person.

8. A seller of ammunition who fails to register pursuant to this
section and sells ammunition, for a first offense, shall be guilty of a
violation and subject to the fine of one thousand dollars and for a
second offense, shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
A seller of ammunition that fails to keep any record required pursuant
to this section, for a first offense shall be guilty of a violation and
subject to a fine of five hundred dollars, and for a second offense
shall be guilty of a class B misdemeanor, and the registration of such
seller shall be revoked.


Edited by BLAMMO, November 16 2016 - 07:08 AM.


#40 Swstock

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Posted November 16 2016 - 09:37 PM

Yup...and the MOU eliminated the purple part. It changed nothing about the rest.

Maybe your argument would hold up in court. Go to the State Police with receipts and see how they want to handle it and keep us posted.





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