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[Gary_Hungerford]

I have been contacted by an outfit called BaseCampLeasing. They are willing to pay me to lease my land, in Sullivan County, to hunters.
I must sign a contract. Has anyone had any experience with this outfit? I am reluctant to sign a contract without further
investigation as to whether or not they are reputable.

Their name sounds like they might be a commercial venture. In that case, they could be allowing all sorts of activities on your land, for which you, as the owner, will be ultimately dragged in, if anything happens and liability rears its ugly head. If you want to lease, try doing it directly, to the user(s), as gopedxr7 suggests. You need to have your attorney look at what they are offering, in terms of lease and liability assumptions, before you jump at the dollars. Normally, the property owner dictates the terms of the lease, not the lessee.
Gary

edited, for a typo.

Edited by Gary_Hungerford, March 21 2016 - 04:27 PM.

[DaveJr.]

You'd be suprised how cheap some people are. I have heard stories similar to boosti's from family friends.

[leftjammer]

Not calling you a liar, but really? I don't believe anyone could be that bad.

Oh believe it.
They are out there, I have 2 family members and another "friend" I dont hang with any longer for the exact reason being discussed here.
Cheap and sneaky doesnt even begin to describe how some people are when it comes to money. Some are so blatant you think they would feel embarrassed, nope, they're helpless

[Diesel1]

All I know, is I've been trying to go hunt deer for 3 years since getting my license. If I'm not slammed at work, I have to one or no place to go with. As a rookie, I want to be taught the right way and not be the yahoo in the woods to further any bad stigmas in regards to hunters. Finding people is somewhat easier for me.....land is the largest hurdle. I've heard plenty in regards to hunting on public land and would prefer to avoid that route.

Knowing how hard it is to find good private land to hunt on, I wouldn't let who ever is taking me to put their hand in ther pocket the entire trip. I would still end up with the bargain just for the education. I can't see why guys are so tight they pinch the nickel and dimes. Gas, tolls, and food are nickel and dimes.

Those guys probably turn their underwear inside out to get an extra day out them too.

[Mad Russian]

I'm a rookie yahoo... I've seen deer, but haven't shot anything...yet...

[lichris]

I'm a rookie yahoo... I've seen deer, but haven't shot anything...yet...

FYI - after my first season, I traded in the Saiga for a real rifle. Now the deer are so scared, they don't even show themselves.

[boosti]

All I know, is I've been trying to go hunt deer for 3 years since getting my license. If I'm not slammed at work, I have to one or no place to go with. As a rookie, I want to be taught the right way and not be the yahoo in the woods to further any bad stigmas in regards to hunters. Finding people is somewhat easier for me.....land is the largest hurdle. I've heard plenty in regards to hunting on public land and would prefer to avoid that route.

Knowing how hard it is to find good private land to hunt on, I wouldn't let who ever is taking me to put their hand in ther pocket the entire trip. I would still end up with the bargain just for the education. I can't see why guys are so tight they pinch the nickel and dimes. Gas, tolls, and food are nickel and dimes.

Those guys probably turn their underwear inside out to get an extra day out them too.

I learned reading Field and Stream and Outdoor Life magazines when I was interested in hunting, none of the hunting shows were available like we have nowadays. I hunted out east and learned where to hunt upstate on the maps you would get when you bought a hunting license. The old timers I knew are gone. I remember a family friend meet guys once a year for 20 years hunting the same place Upstate. This guy would meet up at different locations to catch a ride with one of the guys from the group. He was a cheap guy. He never offered me a chance to hunt that place Upstate. I have to say most hunters will keep their place secret and never share the land with someone.

[snowblind]

Well after the 24th I will have both bowhunter and gun safety classes done, so if you want to snuggle up and be the big spoon I'll share my sleeping bag with whoever is in on this hypothetical lease

[Huntington Guy]

LIF group buy / sort of - leasing a chunk of land for hunting, mmmmmm..... Interesting.

Have had this discussion here before. Worth looking at.

[hkonjuvca1974]

i would be interested in joining LIF members on this lease

[grifhunter]

I have been in a hunting club based here on Long Island for several years. We lease land. The problem comes up that people are all in and excited when they first hear about it, but after a season or two and they don't use the membership like they thought they would (too far, too many events during hunt season, threw a disk in their back, kids make a fall travel team, cut backs at work, etc etc) then they don't make the payments they were supposed to make and they don't do the physical labor any hunting club needs in the off season. The latter is a BIG issue. You get a disparity of people pulling their load, then resentments, then it goes to hell.

Then you get conflicts over who hunts when, who left trash, who brought non-members, who shot does, hens, whatever. And of course, poachers and the locals who are friends with the owner deplete the wildlife. It is an amazing hassle, yet, it gets you land to hunt. The ideal situation is you and you alone hold the lease.

[Huntington Guy]

I have been in a hunting club based here on Long Island for several years. We lease land. The problem comes up that people are all in and excited when they first hear about it, but after a season or two and they don't use the membership like they thought they would (too far, too many events during hunt season, threw a disk in their back, kids make a fall travel team, cut backs at work, etc etc) then they don't make the payments they were supposed to make and they don't do the physical labor any hunting club needs in the off season. The latter is a BIG issue. You get a disparity of people pulling their load, then resentments, then it goes to hell.

Then you get conflicts over who hunts when, who left trash, who brought non-members, who shot does, hens, whatever. And of course, poachers and the locals who are friends with the owner deplete the wildlife. It is an amazing hassle, yet, it gets you land to hunt. The ideal situation is you and you alone hold the lease.

All excellent points. Compounding such an agreement here would also be our membership having mostly none to only casual relationships for the most part with other members. The learning curve on quirky camp mates, different habits and attitudes and the holy grail for most, the money part. In a perfect world I imagine we would all prefer our own land or to at least have the luxury of being very selective about who the other stakeholders would be but for me anyway, buying a place is not in my short term cards. At least not in the northeast.
Great opportunity to make new friends and build on existing ones but money, schedules and "house rules" will be a bear.
I'm still in for a discussion if it ever gets that far though.

[bigbore44]

I have been in a hunting club based here on Long Island for several years. We lease land. The problem comes up that people are all in and excited when they first hear about it, but after a season or two and they don't use the membership like they thought they would (too far, too many events during hunt season, threw a disk in their back, kids make a fall travel team, cut backs at work, etc etc) then they don't make the payments they were supposed to make and they don't do the physical labor any hunting club needs in the off season. The latter is a BIG issue. You get a disparity of people pulling their load, then resentments, then it goes to hell.

Then you get conflicts over who hunts when, who left trash, who brought non-members, who shot does, hens, whatever. And of course, poachers and the locals who are friends with the owner deplete the wildlife. It is an amazing hassle, yet, it gets you land to hunt. The ideal situation is you and you alone hold the lease.

110% correct in everything listed here. Been there, been a part of that. It takes a lot of work and patients to keep it going.

[grifhunter]

All excellent points. Compounding such an agreement here would also be our membership having mostly none to only casual relationships for the most part with other members. The learning curve on quirky camp mates, different habits and attitudes and the holy grail for most, the money part. In a perfect world I imagine we would all prefer our own land or to at least have the luxury of being very selective about who the other stakeholders would be but for me anyway, buying a place is not in my short term cards. At least not in the northeast.
Great opportunity to make new friends and build on existing ones but money, schedules and "house rules" will be a bear.
I'm still in for a discussion if it ever gets that far though.

My other issue is the investment at this stage is not going to be worth it in the long run if you are looking to get out of this state (as all should be). Why buy/lease/improve land, build cabin, add food plots, if you are getting out of Dodge. While I maintain my fairly reasonable membership in my present club, I'm saving money now for a new club membership down south for someday, Mr. and Mrs. Grifhunter will be culling deer and coveys of quail in South Carolina. Eff NY.

[Hunter6874]

The most difficult part is splitting the cost of a hunting lease and expenses. Every group has the cheap guy.
I hate cheap people, this one guy would get a free ride and ask for a separate check when going out to eat. He always avoided a tip at the table because he knew I gave at least a 20% tip. You need a good crew, people need to share a vehicle and split the costs of the gas and tolls. This guy was clever before leaving his house insisted on seeing the fuel gauge and odometer and getting a receipt for fuel and tolls. He lasted two hunting seasons. It was his turn to use his personal vehicle and the night before said his SUV was going in the shop. He thought that was a way to sneak another trip with us without putting miles on his vehicle.

I completely understand your point, however I am not too worried about that with the majority of the people here. IF this were to happen, it would have be to be done correctly, which is a lot of work, but worth it in the end. As people no longer want to do it, we would bring in replacements, as we couldn't have 30 people running around during season anyway. There will always be interested people. Anyone who would screw us over by just not paying would be out and that would be that. Would be like a mini LIF hunting club.

[boosti]

I completely understand your point, however I am not too worried about that with the majority of the people here. IF this were to happen, it would have be to be done correctly, which is a lot of work, but worth it in the end. As people no longer want to do it, we would bring in replacements, as we couldn't have 30 people running around during season anyway. There will always be interested people. Anyone who would screw us over by just not paying would be out and that would be that. Would be like a mini LIF hunting club.

It requires team work. I'm a team player, when I was off from work take the drive Upstate to plow and till a new food plot. You will have guys not put in any work. The cheap guy in the group could be convinced to do work while catching a free ride. It will be a project no doubt.

[Hunter6874]

It requires team work. I'm a team player, when I was off from work take the drive Upstate to plow and till a new food plot. You will have guys not put in any work. The cheap guy in the group could be convinced to do work while catching a free ride. It will be a project no doubt.

Again fully agree. Definitely will be a project, but one I fully believe will be worth it in the end. There are plenty of ways to deal with any slackers.

[Mad Russian]

Again fully agree. Definitely will be a project, but one I fully believe will be worth it in the end. There are plenty of ways to deal with any slackers.

For a few years I hunted as a guest of a club upstate. During down time I inquired about membership and policies. The rules are simple: you pay your dues and you participate in an x number of work parties during the year. If you can't work then you are penalized financially. As an example: The club president is/was a control freak Wall Street type, he just paid up because his time was worth more than the penalties.

[snowblind]

What should you look for when buying land upstate? Please no joke replies about buying in a "free state".

[Hunter6874]

For a few years I hunted as a guest of a club upstate. During down time I inquired about membership and policies. The rules are simple: you pay your dues and you participate in an x number of work parties during the year. If you can't work then you are penalized financially. As an example: The club president is/was a control freak Wall Street type, he just paid up because his time was worth more than the penalties.

not a bad way to do it