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#1 Nazz315430

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Posted November 16 2015 - 05:58 PM

I have been looking around at reels, and think I am going to try my hand with going bails.
Does anyone have any good recommendations??
Also does anyone know what the new model Van Staahl is, and where i can find specs on it?

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#2 jarheadsergeant

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Posted November 16 2015 - 06:13 PM

I have the new van stall 250 in black. I like it. Don't go at night first time out. You need to get the hang of the bailless casting first.

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Posted November 16 2015 - 06:19 PM

Isn't the 250 going for around 700-800?

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Posted November 16 2015 - 06:43 PM

Vanstaal.com. if you're not dunking the reel every night there are more cost effective options. I still use a Penn. 706z on my 11ft sticks. Over 20 years old, runs braided power pro just fine.

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Posted November 16 2015 - 06:51 PM

Been using my Penn 704 bailless with braid for years now. Never a problem and can cast a mile.

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Posted November 16 2015 - 09:03 PM

what's the main difference between the 704 and 706 Z ?

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Posted November 16 2015 - 09:50 PM

what's the main difference between the 704 and 706 Z ?


Size

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Posted November 16 2015 - 09:58 PM

VS is nice but a lot of $$$.

You really going to work that heavy in the surf?

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Posted November 16 2015 - 10:07 PM

Not heavy enough for a VS. It would be nice to have, but for now i am think the 706Z vs the 704.
I know the difference is size, but what about the weight?
I have a nice lightweight rod, and down want to bog it down with a heavy reel.

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Posted November 16 2015 - 10:14 PM

VS is nice but a lot of $$$.

You really going to work that heavy in the surf?


The funny thing is the fish can't see the VS, the 704z with a bail less conversion is the way to go. I have an older than dirt 704z paired up with an older than dirt rod, somehow in the rods life the end got mended and after that the action on that thing snaps like a rat trap. Ugly as hell but is works.

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Posted November 16 2015 - 10:15 PM

The funny thing is the fish can't see the VS, the 704z with a bail less conversion is the way to go. I have an older than dirt 704z paired up with an older than dirt rod, somehow in the rods life the end got mended and after that the action on that thing snaps like a rat trap. Ugly as hell but is works. BTW the 704z is heavier, but has never been a problem for me.



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Posted November 16 2015 - 10:17 PM

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Posted November 16 2015 - 11:48 PM

For lure casting setups I always felt the best match was
8ft=712z or VS100
9ft=710z or VS150
10ft=704z or VS200
11ft=706z or VS250

This is not going to apply to every application, if your building a heavy 9ft a 704 or vs200 may be a better choice. Depends on what balences the setup.

Consider this, unless your going to be dunking your reel and being rough on your gear there are better choices then a Penn Z series. These reels are old tech and alot of new reels are better in many ways. PennZs are like AKs, there loose, clunky, a little heavy but they work and can take alot of abuse. If you don't think your going to put your gear through the abuse to justify a Penn Z, then you really don't need a VS.

The bail v bailess debate, my take is this. Modern reels have solved the problem of bails snaping shut, for the most part. But in the past this was a big problem penn Z and the previous greenie spinfishers suffered from this problem. When VS hit the market they were marketed and appealed to hardcore guys who had been fishing was bailess penns for years. So it was a simple switch for people who thought bailed reels were unreliable and a problem in the surf.

I started with penn Zs with bails, had issues moved to bailess penn Zs and eventually to VS. Bailess feels familiar to me but if I started with reliable bailed reel I may have ended up bailed.

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Posted November 19 2015 - 10:49 PM

Yesterday i pre ordered the Van Staal VR 150 which goes bailed and bail-less.
I should have it around the 2nd week in December.





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