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Consequences of mugging me & keeping short fish

consequences of mugging me keeping short fish

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#1 Sig

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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:05 AM

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My friend & I went out Sunday morning to do some blackfishing. Much to my surprise there wasn't a boat within 2 miles from where we wanted to fish. It took me 3 attempts anchoring before I was I was satisfied with our position over the rock structure. This is a very large area that can easily hold 40+ boats without crowding anyone.

We had a slow pick going of mostly short blacks. I look up to see a 40+ foot boat running downtide & downwind right at us. The captain proceeds to put on the brakes & drop anchor about 200' in front of us. He put his vessel in reverse & now is setting his anchor uptide & upwind like somehow physics won't affect his boat. Of coarse after his boat settles in he is now 50'-60' right smack in front of us (over our anchor rode). The wind is forecast to gust to 25kts & that now has me concerned for if he breaks loose there will be little time to avoid a collision. I also can't readily move as my anchor is under his vessel. I'm also steaming about this guy just mugging the spot I'm on.

I'm trying my best to just ignore the fact that he's there & just fish. This is when I see one of the guys fishing catch what appears to be an obviously short blackie. I wait to see if they measure it & toss it back. Nope, it went right into the bucket. Next I see a porgy about the size of my hand enter the same bucket. That was the last straw as now I'm really mad. My partner & I have been putting back every fish that is undersized & these guys mug me & are keeping those fish. No way!

I grabbed my phone & googled the DEC poaching hotline. Two & half hours later here comes a DEC patrol boat steaming directly at my new pal. They board him & we see a DEC officer dumping fish over the side. The officer gets back on his boat & they proceed to drift back about 100 yards for what must have been 15-20 minutes. The DEC now approaches our vessel & we show them our catch. They proceed to tell us that the boat in question had 7 short fish on board. They then go to the poachers & hand them their tickets. That 15-20 minutes was spent writing I guess.

I checked the fines & found that it is $154.00 per count.

Moral of the story: You can either mug me or keep short fish, but you can't do both. :nono

Edited by Sig, November 10 2015 - 09:06 AM.

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#2 Objectivist

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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:11 AM

Would you have called the DEC if he didn't mug your spot?

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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:13 AM

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It's people like that guy that give the honest fisherman a bad name and ruin it for everyone else. Who knows how many times he was out and how many short fish he kept.
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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:14 AM

Good job. Hate it when people keep short fish. Hurts all of us.
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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:17 AM

Would you have called the DEC if he didn't mug your spot?

Probably not because I wouldn't have been able to tell if the fish were short. But yes I would if I could determine that they were short. The rules are in place for all to follow.
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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:40 AM

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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:44 AM

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Bring it!
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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:52 AM

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I was reading your post and thinking that anybody taking the fish illegally should be penalized. Then my next thought what if this was a thread about calling the SAFE Act hotline to turn in someone you (not specifically you) saw at the gun range. What a moral dilemma!


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Posted November 10 2015 - 09:55 AM

I was reading your post and thinking that anybody taking the fish illegally should be penalized. Then my next thought what if this was a thread about calling the SAFE Act hotline to turn in someone you (not specifically you) saw at the gun range. What a moral dilemma!

What if that guy was muzzling you or shooting at your targets?

Edited by Sig, November 10 2015 - 09:57 AM.

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:02 AM

good, drives me nuts when people catch all the small ones. hunting too, my neighbors upstate shoot anything at moves while my friends and i try to let the spikes grow.

ridiculous that he set up right on top of you. and pretty dumb to be so close that you can gauge the size of the fish he had

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:06 AM

You would make a terrific RO. Way to go alright.

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:07 AM

I wonder if he even KNEW the fish were short, since apparently he anchored over your set with nobody else around- maybe he's just clueless? I guess that was an expensive lesson for him either way.

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:15 AM

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I was reading your post and thinking that anybody taking the fish illegally should be penalized. Then my next thought what if this was a thread about calling the SAFE Act hotline to turn in someone you (not specifically you) saw at the gun range. What a moral dilemma!

No moral dilema. One is an unjust law with a felony conviction, that serves no purpose or protects anyone or anything.
The other is a fine, and protects the future fisheries.
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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:15 AM

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:16 AM

It's not the size of your boat but the way you use it. I was surprised that Al Sharpton didn't show up to harass you about catching Blackfish.
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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:19 AM

I wonder if he even KNEW the fish were short, since apparently he anchored over your set with nobody else around- maybe he's just clueless? I guess that was an expensive lesson for him either way.

I saw him out there last week also. Albeit there were 20 other boats there & he wasn't on top of me at the time. I'm sure he saw us throwing back shorts as well as others. Lack of knowledge is no defense for breaking the rules or putting another boat in possible peril.

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:22 AM

good for them.........

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:23 AM

  • CW, SCREW HIM ! Anyone skippering a forty foot boat should be aware that there are a few rules and regs out there. All of us that fish whether from kayak boat, or beach should have the number of the DEC TIPPS on speed dial.
Sig, I am proud of you !!

The number is-
  • DEC dispatchers are available 24/7 to take your poaching and polluting complaints toll-free at
  • 1-844-DEC-ECOS (1-844-332-3267). Callers may request to file a complaint anonymously.
  • Citizens can also report a violation online.
  • Contact the ECO responsible for your area. ECOs work out of their homes and patrol in and around the county they live in. Links to the regional ECO rosters are listed in the right hand column of this page. When ECOs are on patrol you may contact them through the Division of Law Enforcement dispatch at 1-877-457-5680

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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:25 AM

No moral dilema. One is an unjust law with a felony conviction, that serves no purpose or protects anyone or anything.
The other is a fine, and protects the future fisheries.


OK, but what makes it ok for the government to legislate what size fish you catch to feed your family? I know "think of the fish" or "if it could save one fishy life".
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Posted November 10 2015 - 10:27 AM

OK, but what makes it ok for the government to legislate what size fish you catch to feed your family? I know "think of the fish" or "if it could save one fishy life".

There is no right to fish.
There is a right to keep and bear arms.
They could completely outlaw hunting and fishing without taking away our rights.
What they have done with lots of laws like the unSAFE act is against our rights.
Of course they can do as they please since they don't give a crap about the Constitution.
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