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Kayaks are no longer allowed at Blydenburgh Lake

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#81 COLLECTINGHEADS

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Posted June 24 2015 - 09:13 AM

I will be contacting all of the parties mentioned in the original email today they are supposed to have some sort of compromise worked out. I hope they just aren't trying to stall to see if we go away. That would be a big mistake.

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Posted June 24 2015 - 09:20 AM

I will be contacting all of the parties mentioned in the original email today they are supposed to have some sort of compromise worked out. I hope they just aren't trying to stall to see if we go away. That would be a big mistake.


We're not going away. Keep us posted.
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Posted June 24 2015 - 09:24 AM

We're not going away. Keep us posted.

I'm painting a Confederate battle flag in my kayak abnd bringing it there!
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Posted June 24 2015 - 02:27 PM

Follow up reply from my email sent this morning.


Just got off the phone with the commissioner who said they are seriously working on it. Looking at a sticker policy (?) He’ll let me know. I told him I would like an answer by Friday. We shall see!!!

Leslie Kennedy
Suffolk County Legislator, 12th L.D.
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631-854-3744 (Fax)

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Posted June 24 2015 - 02:39 PM

Just as a side note, I also received a reply from Ms. Kennedy stating in short that Parks Dept. is working on a solution..... I hope we get the results that makes everyone feel they won..

Edited by LongIsland Guy, June 24 2015 - 02:39 PM.

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Posted June 24 2015 - 03:14 PM

Follow up reply from my email sent this morning.


Just got off the phone with the commissioner who said they are seriously working on it. Looking at a sticker policy (?) He’ll let me know. I told him I would like an answer by Friday. We shall see!!!

Leslie Kennedy
Suffolk County Legislator, 12th L.D.
631-854-3735 (Tel.)
631-854-3744 (Fax)


You should ask them..."Regarding the sticker....Where on the horse do you put it?"
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Posted June 24 2015 - 03:36 PM

the city sells their sticker for Floyd Bennett field for $50.

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Posted June 24 2015 - 03:48 PM

"Sticker policy"?? Tell her to stick 'er policy where the sun don't shine! A kayak is about as eco-friendly a craft as possible, moreso than even walking on a trail. Noise- what, from water dripping off the paddle? This is about the most BS thing I've heard since NYSAFE.
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Posted June 24 2015 - 04:02 PM

Why wouldn't the fee be included in the NYS Empire Pass:

Your key to all-season enjoyment at New York State parks is the Empire Passport. This pass provides unlimited day use vehicle entry to most of New York's State parks and recreational facilities. Enjoy the forests, the seashore, the lakefronts in your state parks...


- See more at: http://nysparks.com/...h.geRJ7AQ1.dpuf


Has anyone called News 12? They love this kind of stuff.

Because this is New York.
Anytime they can squeeze a dollar out of a tax payer they do so.
You don't think all this government we have is cheap do you?
Then there are the generous entitlements for those that didn't earn them.
They need so much money to run this bloated inefficent wealth redistributing liberal sinkhole they try to get everything they can from the peasants.

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Posted June 24 2015 - 04:07 PM

"Sticker policy"?? Tell her to stick 'er policy where the sun don't shine! A kayak is about as eco-friendly a craft as possible, moreso than even walking on a trail. Noise- what, from water dripping off the paddle? This is about the most BS thing I've heard since NYSAFE.

I have been kayaking about ten years and have yet to see anyone on the water that was not in reasonably good shape. My own feeling is that a few nimbyism type neighbors who have to buy two airline seats when they fly are just jealous, lol.

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Posted June 24 2015 - 04:39 PM

Don't know if it was already suggested but maybe reach out to Gary Hungerford of SASI (Suffolk Alliance of Sportsman) who is a member here...maybe he can help. Ironically they hold their monthly meetings at Blydenburg.

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Posted June 24 2015 - 08:29 PM

I am beyond annoyed that the SC Parks commissioner hides behind his staff and won't engage what is at this point a rather large group of disenfranchised folks who want to use the park or have the option to do so. The canned email continues to be sent out and it holds no water at all. I have some faith in Leslie Kennedy I believe she is trying to do the right thing and has been extremely forthcoming and responsive. I hope the end of this week brings good news but I we are continuing to push. I just hope the plan isn't to give us access after the first freeze.

Once again thank you for all your help, ideas and laughs.
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Posted June 24 2015 - 09:27 PM

Why wouldn't the fee be included in the NYS Empire Pass:

Your key to all-season enjoyment at New York State parks is the Empire Passport. This pass provides unlimited day use vehicle entry to most of New York's State parks and recreational facilities. Enjoy the forests, the seashore, the lakefronts in your state parks...


- See more at: http://nysparks.com/...h.geRJ7AQ1.dpuf


Has anyone called News 12? They love this kind of stuff.


County Park, Empire Pass is for State Parks

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Posted June 25 2015 - 06:41 AM

Don't know if it was already suggested but maybe reach out to Gary Hungerford of SASI (Suffolk Alliance of Sportsman) who is a member here...maybe he can help. Ironically they hold their monthly meetings at Blydenburg.

Thank you, I was not aware of the SASI! I reached out to Greg this morning to see if he could offer any advice.

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Posted June 25 2015 - 01:32 PM

Hilarious...
Did the DEC violate its own state laws in the Pine Barrens?


Normally, the state Department of Environmental Conservation is the entity saying that a developer or municipality is in violation of state environmental regulations.

But now, officials from Brookhaven Town are claiming the DEC violated its own regulations by more than tripling the size of a DEC boat launching site in Calverton, a site that’s located the core preservation area of the Pine Barrens, where development is greatly restricted.

Development in the Pine Barrens core must obtain a waiver from the Central Pine Barrens Joint Planning and Policy Commission if it is to be permitted, and officials say the DEC never even applied for permission in this case. The DEC’s former regional director was a member of that commission until he recently left his role to take a job with Suffolk County.

John Turner, the open space program coordinator in Brookhaven Town’s Division of Land Management, says the DEC began work on the expansion in December of 2014 and in doing so, cleared more than 21,000 square feet of trees — about a half acre — in violation of the state’s 1993 Pine Barrens Act, which restricts development in the Central Pine Barrens, which covers parts of Brookhaven, Riverhead and Southampton Towns.

State DEC Commissioner Joseph Martens announced earlier this month that the $462,000 improvement project at the Forge Pond Fishing Access site off South River Road was complete, and that the upgrades included parking and safety improvements, as well the installation of a concrete ramp for launching trailered boats and an accessible dock for launching canoes and kayaks.

“The new ramp and parking spots will allow individuals with mobility impairments to get out and enjoy this natural area,” Mr. Martens said in a press release.

The project was funded by the state’s Environmental Protection Fund, he said.

Mr. Turner, speaking at Wednesday’ meeting of the Pine Barrens Commission — which is comprised of representatives of the state, Suffolk County and the three towns in the Central Pine Barrens area — said the impacts of the expansion include “the complete destruction of approximately one half acre of Pine Barrens forest, causing the general loss of wildlife habitat, including endangered species habitat.”

He is asking the Pine Barrens Commission to investigate the situation and provide a legal opinion on whether they feel the expansion is in violation of the Pine Barrens Act.

“This section of Peconic Lake (also known as Forge Pond) only allows boats with electric motors, which are smaller boats,” Brookhaven Town Supervisor Ed Romaine said. “That’s the thing that struck me. Why are they building such a huge boat ramp when most electric boats are smaller than gas powered boats?”

“We’re concerned about the potential precedent-setting nature of this,” said Richard Amper, executive director of the Long Island Pine Barrens Society, a nonprofit environmental organization not connected to the Pine Barrens Commission.

“It’s pretty scary if anybody on this commission can simply self-certify that a project they are interested in doesn’t constitute development and therefore doesn’t come before this commission,” Mr. Amper said. “I think it’s very dangerous.”

He suggested the commission meet with its attorney, John Milazzo, and determine if the DEC’s actions were in violation of the law and what steps to take.

Normally, the Pine Barrens Commission has a state representative — usually the regional director of the DEC. However, former regional director Peter Scully recently resigned that post to take a job with the county, and there was no state representative at Wednesday’s Pine Barrens Commission meeting. Mr. Scully had been chairman of the commission before his resignation.

Prior to this year, the Forge Pond boat launch area contained a dirt parking lot with a light surface cover of gravel on a 9,500 square foot parking lot, according to Mr. Turner.

The expansion involved the clearing of about 21,522 square feet of additional property, he said. The Pine Barrens Act prohibits development in the core area without approval from the commission, and it defines what it considers development.

The law specifically cites “a material increase in the intensity of use of land” and specifies “commencement of mining, excavating or material alteration of grade or vegetation on a parcel of land,” as examples of what it considers development.

It also specifies “material alteration of a shore, bank or flood plain” of a water body as being development.

The DEC has maintained that the expansion didn’t count as “development” under the Pine Barrens Act, citing a section of the act that allows for “public improvements undertaken for the health, safety, or welfare of the public,” and a section that allows “existing or expanded recreational use consistent with the purposes” of the Pine Barrens Act.

The Pine Barrens Commission went into a closed, executive session meeting after Wednesday’s public meeting to discuss the issue with their attorneys, but did not take any formal action afterwards.

Officials from the DEC have not immediately returned requests for comments on this issue.

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Posted June 25 2015 - 01:42 PM

..members helping members
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Posted June 25 2015 - 01:42 PM

Here's a question, who owns the lake??

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Posted June 25 2015 - 02:54 PM

Go to the next Suffolk County Legislature Parks & Recreation Committee Meeting and register to speak. Voice your concerns and in particular, express your feelings on the lack of responsiveness by Commissioner Dawson. They are sensitive to this. Good luck.
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Posted June 25 2015 - 05:39 PM

Suffolk County has become one of the leading jurisdictions on the ban wagon. A few dozen whiny people complain about something and County officials start writing bans.

I propose a County ban on bans for at least the next 10 years.

Not to mention that they cannot even keep up with the laws currently on the books. Who on here does not have kids riding dirt bikes and quads on the roads everyday?
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Posted June 29 2015 - 08:14 AM

So Friday came and went with no response from Greg Dawson or Leslie Kennedy as promised, not shocked but I was hopeful that this would be an easy fix.





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