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NY-SAFE Compliance Flow Chart

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#1 viper720

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Posted May 12 2015 - 09:42 AM

Put this together real quick last night. Let me know if it's got errors.
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#2 blue steel

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Posted May 12 2015 - 09:58 AM

If you want, you can reduce this to one box. Here is the text:

" IS THIS LAW BULL#%&T ?"
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Posted May 12 2015 - 10:01 AM

solid first post
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welcome to LIF

Edited by 1895guy, May 12 2015 - 10:01 AM.

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#4 Paté

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Posted May 12 2015 - 10:01 AM

Automatic message - This topic has been moved from Open Firearm Discussions to Firearm Ban & Recent Events

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Posted May 12 2015 - 10:15 AM

Thanks for the effort. I noticed that you ask if it's manually operated at the top middle, but then you ask further down the line if it's semi-automatic later on. So I would say you may have unnecessary steps.
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Posted May 12 2015 - 10:17 AM

Great first post.

You need to move the "is it over 50 years old".

Just because it's over fifty (meaning C&R) doesn't make it Safe Act compliant just that your allowed to have some "evil features".

Edited by fenucho, May 12 2015 - 10:18 AM.

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Posted May 12 2015 - 11:06 AM

On the serious side....I may be incorrect but you need to include a time frame here. My understanding is that PRIOR to April 15 of last year (2014) this kind of discussion was relevant. Afterwards, like now, it is a felony (or close to it) to possess a non-compliant weapon that is not registered. Period. Plus you can not sell it and can not register it.

So if you find that your gun safe has such a weapon I believe it is time for either a hacksaw or a lawyer. Am I wrong? You can't register anything any longer without going to jail first.


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Posted May 12 2015 - 11:43 AM

Dont forget "Does it look scary?" - if yes, then definitely non-compliant
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Posted May 12 2015 - 11:45 AM

Fully automatic....

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Posted May 12 2015 - 11:46 AM

Is it black, and evil looking ???

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Posted May 12 2015 - 11:50 AM

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here's my flow chart

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Posted May 12 2015 - 11:51 AM

does it spit bullet and ghost operated ... bang bang bang??!! Banned!!

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Posted May 12 2015 - 11:58 AM

Attempted to edit OP, permission denied. Andy must be sneaking around in the forums. Anyway, here's a revision. Thanks for the input and kind words!
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Posted May 12 2015 - 12:02 PM

On the serious side....I may be incorrect but you need to include a time frame here. My understanding is that PRIOR to April 15 of last year (2014) this kind of discussion was relevant. Afterwards, like now, it is a felony (or close to it) to possess a non-compliant weapon that is not registered. Period. Plus you can not sell it and can not register it.

So if you find that your gun safe has such a weapon I believe it is time for either a hacksaw or a lawyer. Am I wrong? You can't register anything any longer without going to jail first.

This chart is for post-SAFE transfers. If I'm not mistaken (and I could very well be mistaken) you receive a 30-day period from first contact following discovery that you are in possession of a non-compliant firearm to register, provided that you were in possession of it before SAFE and it was compliant with the previous law.

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Posted May 12 2015 - 12:13 PM

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Here's the real "Flow" chart.

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#16 blue steel

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Posted May 12 2015 - 12:21 PM

This chart is for post-SAFE transfers. If I'm not mistaken (and I could very well be mistaken) you receive a 30-day period from first contact following discovery that you are in possession of a non-compliant firearm to register, provided that you were in possession of it before SAFE and it was compliant with the previous law.

That is the first time I have heard of a "first contact" grace period. Can you provide a reference in the law? tks...
This is what I have for a reference on the NYS website. It is the guide for the NYS Police. Note the section here, “4. Applicable Criminal Charges”



http://www.nypdcea.org/pdfs/NYSP_Safe_Act_Field_Guide.pdf



This is the originating website

http://programs.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-reform


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Posted May 12 2015 - 12:43 PM

That is the first time I have heard of a "first contact" grace period. Can you provide a reference in the law? tks...
This is what I have for a reference on the NYS website. It is the guide for the NYS Police. Note the section here, “4. Applicable Criminal Charges”



http://www.nypdcea.org/pdfs/NYSP_Safe_Act_Field_Guide.pdf



This is the originating website

http://programs.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-reform


Yeah I was thinking of this part of the bill here (pg 67):
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Claim that "you didn't know" and you get a 30 day warning to surrender/apply for registration. How well that would actually work is the million dollar question.

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Posted May 12 2015 - 12:50 PM

Good job.

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Posted May 12 2015 - 01:52 PM

The use of both yes and no with both green and red can be confusing. Rather than "yes/no" in a green or red box depending on the circumstances, consider using a regular yellow yes/no text box as a transition to either a green "compliant" box or a red "not compliant" box. Standardizing the results makes it much easier to read and use.
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Posted May 12 2015 - 02:06 PM

Error for both semi-auto rifles and shotguns:
Even when using a detachable magazine in conjunction with what would normally be a banned feature, as long as it's incapable of accepting more than 5 rounds it's legal.

As per NY Penal Code Article 265.00 sub 22 (a)(g)(ii) and (iii)
"(g) provided, however, that such term does not include... (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; or...."

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