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Just The Mention Of A Gun In School

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#1 ghostwriter


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Posted April 01 2013 - 10:32 PM

March 1st was just another day when I put my 10 year old, fourth grade son John on the bus and sent him off to school. Or so I thought. On the contrary, today was the day that my life as a gun owner was about to change, dramatically and rapidly.

Sometime during the day, my son allegedly spoke with a few of his classmates. The boys (excluding my son) were involved in a school yard pushing incident the day before. Two or three of these boys (including my son) were talking about going to the house of the boys that did the pushing. These boys were to take with them a water, paint and bb gun. Word of this got to the principal. She immediately interrogated the children. I received a call from the principal advising me of this just as my son got off the bus. She also advised me that my son was to be suspended for two days because of his words. She decided that this talk amongst students warranted filing a police report. If this wasn't bad enough, the police were sent to my residence and I was advised that my guns may be taken from me. This can't be happening, I thought. But it was.

The following Monday I received a call from Pistol Licensing that they would be at my residence in the morning to take my guns and suspend my license. I attempted to explain that this must be a mistake, no wrong doing occurred on my part. My son has no access to any of my guns. The officer that came to my residence saw that all my guns were secured.Pistol Licensing was not interested in my side of the story. They were only interested in what happened with my ten year old son in school.

If you think this can't happen to you, you are wrong. It is happening every day here in American.
Kids get suspended from school and the aftermath can be as ugly as my situation.

When will my license be restored? What is involved? What is the cost? These are all questions that I had. Some still remain unanswered. The few answers I have are not at all comforting. According to the police, I can expect to have my license restored when my son is an adult and moves out of my residence. If I don't want to wait that long I can file an Article 78 and request that my license be reinstated. The cost, so far, about $6,500 monetarily. Emotionally, the cost is far, far higher. That can't be calculated. All my handguns are gone, my license is suspended and my long arms are out of the house waiting to be sold at a local store.

What can you do to protect yourself and others? First, pick up the phone and call Senator Flanagans office. Demand that they enact legislation similar to Maryland's Senate Bill 1058. It will protect school age children, their rights and those of their parents. Second, keep a firearms attorney on your speed dial. Carry his card. Remember his number. Next, buddy up with someone you trust that has a valid pistol license. Be ready at a moments notice to transfer your guns to him. You of course will do the same for him if the need arises. That will protect your guns from becoming property of the County in which you live. Talk to your kids.  This is what hurts.  In order to make them "School Compliant", you will have to supress there rights to exist as children.   Don't let them say "pow" when they point there little fingers.  Don't let them mention guns, water, paint, bb, or other.  You just learned what can happen.  And it happened right here in Suffolk County, to one of us.

With any luck, and some hard work from us all, a bill comparable to 1058 will pass here in New York.  Then we can begin to breathe more freely.  Schools need to understand that 5-12 year olds pointing their fingers in harmless gestures, are not the threats they need to subdue.   What we need to subdue is the army of over zealous, over paid, school administrators that suddenly have become the "finger pointing police",

This is the lunacy that is now in our schools.   Read it and weep.










Another school district is requesting that a deaf students name be changed
because when using sign language his name "resembles a weapon"


I am confident that there are many more of these suspensions . Most, like
my son's, have yet to make it to the media. In speaking with attorneys, I have learned that these suspensions are reaching alarming levels.

The "Pastry Gun Suspension" has already started a cry for the enactment of
legislation by Senator J. B. Jennings.


Senate Bill 1058 (The Reasonable School Discipline Act of 2013) was created by Senator Jennings to eradicate these issues in Maryland.


This is exactly the type of legislation we need here in New York to protect our children, our guns and our rights.

A good place to start is Senator Flanagans office.   This occurred in his district.  His phone number is 631-361-2154.   His contact information can be found here http://www.nysenate....lanagan/contact

Be aware. Be prepared. Be vigilant. Be safe.

Edited by The Architect, April 02 2013 - 07:57 AM.

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Posted April 01 2013 - 10:41 PM

Wow. Words can't explain how I feel reading this. My wife and I were thinking of having kids in the next year or so, I looked forward to my dad and I teaching him or her how to shoot, like I was taught. I fear the worst...
"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a mederate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independence to the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, 1785 August 19

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Posted April 01 2013 - 10:47 PM

Holy crap!



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Posted April 01 2013 - 10:48 PM

Wow... Sorry to hear this.  I'd hire an attorney and file the 78 immediately.

Be safe, good luck
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Posted April 01 2013 - 10:51 PM

Gun owners and the Constitution are under attack. The descent is accelerating.

Edited by Walker1847, April 01 2013 - 10:52 PM.

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Posted April 01 2013 - 10:53 PM

Flanagan is a turncoat sorry to hear about your issue. No one should go through that.

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Posted April 01 2013 - 10:54 PM

Things are the way they are because we rather roll over and take it. Therefore they see it as our consent.
Go along to get along.
Wake up, go to work, watch sports, go to bed. Wash rinse repeat.
Don't dare disrupt our normal lives with the inconvenience of fighting to get our rights back.

We will be complete slaves before we know it. Just keep rolling over and take it.

Im sorry for these words but I am very frustrated not only with our government but with its citizens or should I say subjects for not defending our rights/freedoms.
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Posted April 01 2013 - 11:06 PM

You need to get to a judge asap.  Preferably Federal.  Get an attorney, go to the NRA's legal defense people, whatever it takes.
The state cannot dispossess you of a fundamental constitutional right on the basis of some subjective fear by a paranoid school administrator and overreaching police personel.  I wonder if a cop's child did this would the cops guns be pulled?
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Posted April 01 2013 - 11:35 PM

wow i am so moving

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Posted April 02 2013 - 12:02 AM

Had something similar happen with my kid. He and another boy were talking about AK's and subsaharan Africa. The other kid writes a note about how my kid can get an AK or some such nonsense (never saw the note).
I get called to the school for a conference with the principal. I knew this could end badly if I wasn't prepared, so I decided to record the conversation on my phone.
During the talk I asked the principal point blank "...at any point did my son offer to sell anyone a gun?" the answer was "no".
The next question I asked the principal is why am I here at all? Your son mentioned "gun" in school. So I told him to stop teaching history because it's chock full of guns, wars, violence and mayhem of all kinds.
When the principal started to talk about the need to "investigate", I told him that if you investigate I will litigate. He got much nicer after that!
My kids know better than to talk about guns in school, but it's kind of hard to do when they all play "Call of Duty" and other such stupid video games.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 12:10 AM

...."and my long guns are at a local store waiting to be sold"    ?    On what grounds?  Didn't something similar just happen over a facebook photo and the guy refused to let the police inspect his arms?  I do not know the ins and outs of pistol licensing but I don't see how they could legally have confiscated your long arms.
Let me know when it is unSAFE so I can come out.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 12:14 AM

OP I think you should lawyer up pronto.  Be prepared to sue the police dept,the school system, and the teacher in question.  Contact the NRA as others have mentioned, make your case well known.  Keep us updated, I for one, would be willing to donate to your legal fund to reverse this atrocity.  Everybody else- better have a bug-out bag for your guns, and a friend out of state....
The more vigorously you try to crush my rights the more violently I will defend them.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 12:27 AM

ever since the facebook incident I have been meaning to ask the forum...is there a lawyer we as a group can turn to / recommend for these issues?
Let me know when it is unSAFE so I can come out.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 12:40 AM

Wow...just wow...good luck...
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Posted April 02 2013 - 01:50 AM

This is crazy. Not much shocks me anymore, but this does.

The public schools in NY have become the states political indoctrination centers. They use it to control the family.

If families can afford it, private schools can be an answer. Homeschooling is another option.

Edited by iGreg, April 02 2013 - 01:55 AM.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 02:25 AM

It surprises me that no one has started a gun friendly private school, it would be very popular.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 02:36 AM

Oh Brave New World.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 05:09 AM

The only way to fight this left wing liberal machine is to be more left wing than them and threaten to take legal action against them for defamation of character against your son, if they spoke privately to your son w/o you being there, chalk up false imprisonment.  If they touched or corralled your son into a room, charge them with battery of a child.  Fight them as they fight you.

Edited by Nordon, April 02 2013 - 05:10 AM.

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Posted April 02 2013 - 05:13 AM

View PostDosDemiGod, on April 02 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

ever since the facebook incident I have been meaning to ask the forum...is there a lawyer we as a group can turn to / recommend for these issues?

mmurtha here on the forum.


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Posted April 02 2013 - 05:42 AM

View PostPaté, on April 02 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

mmurtha here on the forum.


Everyone of us should have their number in our phones on the ready. You never know when crap like this can go down.
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