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Homeland Security: use scissors against mass murders

homeland security use scissors against mass murders

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#1 Tonto

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Posted January 31 2013 - 10:48 AM

Mods:  Sorry, not sure what section this should be in


While DHS orders 7,000  select fire weapons for "personal security"...they want us to use scissors against a mass murderer.

http://www.nypost.co...upuVezePd6trYoM

Homeland Security has advice for confronting mass murders: scissors

WASHINGTON — Is your workplace getting shot up by a crazed gunman?

No problem — just grab a pair of scissors and fight back!

That’s some of the helpful advice in a new instructional video from the Department of Homeland Security that was posted on the agency’s Web site just a month after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.

“If you are caught out in the open and cannot conceal yourself or take cover, you might consider trying to overpower the shooter with whatever means are available,” says the narrator in the video, which shows an office worker pulling scissors out of a desk drawer.

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DUCK AND CUTTER: A Homeland Security video shows these scenes as helpful advice to workers on what to do if a mass killer strikes their office — grab any weapon at hand, and hide under a desk.

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The video, titled “Options for Consideration,” also advises that people who get caught in an “active shooter” situation should run away, hide under a desk or take cover out of the line of fire.

The nearly four-minute-long video opens with chilling scenes from the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre, the 2009 mass shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, and the 2011 attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords.

But the video quickly shifts to hokey footage of office workers scampering under desks, crouching in corners and racing into closets to hide from a rampaging gunman on the loose.

“To protect your hiding place, lock the door if you can. Block the door with heavy furniture,” recommends the male narrator, speaking in measured, authoritative tones.
Other survival strategies promoted in the video include hiding “behind large items such as cabinets or desks. Remain quiet. Silence your cellphone or pager. Even the vibration setting can give away a hiding position.”

Richard Feldman, president of the Independent Firearm Owners Association, said he has a better option for consideration than a pair of scissors when confronting an armed mass murderer — a legal firearm.

“That’s why I prefer a gun, and I usually do carry a gun when it is lawful to do so,” said Feldman. “Clearly, you use whatever you can” to fight for your life, he said.
So if scissors are all you’ve got, grab them by all means.

The video is part of the Obama administration’s ongoing campaign to reduce firearm violence in the wake of the horrific mass murder last month of 20 children and six teachers in Newtown, Conn., said a Homeland Security official.

Homeland Security has operated an active-shooter preparedness-training program for years, and the “Options for Consideration” video was in production prior to the Dec. 14 shooting in Newtown.

The video was released to coincide with President Obama’s sweeping proposals to curb gun violence in America, said the official.
Obama’s most controversial proposals include a ban on military-style assault rifles and high-capacity ammo clips, as well as expanded background checks for firearm purchases.

Security consultant Andrew Scott called the information in the video “adequate.”

He conceded that Homeland Security was correct in recommending that people use scissors to attack a gunman but only in a “last, worst-case scenario.”

“Just the suggestion [to fight back] is a positive move,” said Scott, a former SWAT commander in North Miami Beach. “You don’t want to be sheep for the slaughter.”

But if you do arm yourself with shears, the narrator warns you to drop them when cops arrive.

“Put down any items. Immediately raise your hands,” is the closing advice.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 10:52 AM

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Posted January 31 2013 - 10:53 AM

My plan is to use my assault stapler to thwart an attack.....

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Posted January 31 2013 - 10:57 AM

Here's the video:
(Note: I posted it in the thread, but it didn't show)


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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:06 AM

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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:12 AM

Great! Now scissors 'll be outlawed in NYC.....
When lawmakers use words like "reasonable", "common sense", and "sensible" that means it's too complicated to explain and even they don't understand it....

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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:12 AM

I was in the office this morning. I loaded my stapler with 7 hollow point staples, put a rubber band on my wrist, and made sure my scissors were sharp. Additionally (call me paranoid) I pulled out my ruler and placed it next to my keyboard. Unfortunately, I work for an anti-scissors company, so we aren't allowed to carry concealed while on the clock.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:16 AM

A prior video also suggested to hide behind large objects.

Key word is large.

I wonder how many people were planning on hiding behind small objects.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:21 AM

Excellent Video we pay for that?? I have taken notes to carry around with me just incase I forget what they suggest. I feel much safer now.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:22 AM

This is embarrassing.  I would expect this kind of non-sense from the HR department of a company, not a Federal Law Enforcement Agency. With all due respect to the DHS, instead of grabbing the scissors and hiding under my non bullet retardant desk, I think I'd prefer to have my Wilson Combat 1911 clear leather and put a stop to the madness before the active shooter kills dozens and commits suicide.

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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:28 AM

Well they say the pen is mighter than the sword so does that make scissors mighter than a firearm?
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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:30 AM

I'm going out to stock up on scissors before NYS puts a ban on them.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:32 AM

View PostTonto, on January 31 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

I'm going out to stock up on scissors before NYS puts a ban on them.

Same, just ordered some.
Once they arrive I will hide a pair everywhere, couldn't be safer.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 11:37 AM

ok first person killed with scissors will cause the assault scissors act banning all scissors over 3 inches long

Could This Be The Government The Founders Had In Mind

When They Wrote The Second Amendment?.

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Posted January 31 2013 - 04:37 PM

Grab scissors and hide under a desk? No, no, no... Grab the scissors, and wait patiently next to the doorframe. Then, when they enter and you are at point blank range, your scissors are actually pretty useful. Hiding under a desk is just choosing where to die.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 04:41 PM

View Poststaghorn, on January 31 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

ok first person killed with scissors will cause the assault scissors act banning all scissors over 3 inches long

And with pointy ends....

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Posted January 31 2013 - 04:43 PM

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Posted January 31 2013 - 04:49 PM

View PostDestro, on January 31 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

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Mall ninga shears.  Freakin black out.  Cmon.
Have questions about which gun, feature or magazine is banned?  Ask your Senator/Assemblyman. They voted for it. Ask them whats covered and whats not and respectfully decline referrals to staff, State Police or any websites. Ask them in public and video tape it, especially if they refuse to answer rudimentary questions.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 04:52 PM

If having a gun means that some day at work I'm going to inevitably go off on a shooting rampage over a missing bag lunch, wouldn't I also with scissors be equally inclined to "go off" with my scissors?  Weapon make you violent, after all.
Have questions about which gun, feature or magazine is banned?  Ask your Senator/Assemblyman. They voted for it. Ask them whats covered and whats not and respectfully decline referrals to staff, State Police or any websites. Ask them in public and video tape it, especially if they refuse to answer rudimentary questions.
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Posted January 31 2013 - 04:58 PM

I just melted down my lead scissors, figured 230 grain pieces should do it. Now my scissors are useful.
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