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Made my AR "NY Legal" Tonight

made my ar ny legal tonight

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#1 Vycor

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:36 PM

So decided to make my AR-15 "NY Legal" tonight. I had ordered a "bullet button" a few days ago. Figured i'd install it tonight. So now that I can't drop my magazine with the press of a finger, and i need to use a "tool" to remove the mag... no need for me to "register" it now...
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#2 Bobbytaz

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:39 PM

Does that make it legal and no need to register?
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#3 ADIDAS247

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:39 PM

Not sure, but I think the weapon needs to be made inoperable and the bullet button doesn't cover that.

#4 OH UNCLE PAUL

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:40 PM

Somehow I think you made an error. Needing a tool doesn't make it permanent.
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#5 Vycor

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:45 PM

Says who? How else can we load ammo into an AR with a "perm mounted" magazine... if we can't remove it somehow, either with a key or a tool... this was the same law CA passed where they couldnt have a detachable mag and one "evil" feature, so they did this, and so far its worked fine for them.

Nowhere does it state what "perm" means (meaning welded, etc...)... you can disassemble a whole gun with "tools"
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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:46 PM

Think it needs to be welded
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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:47 PM

View PostOH UNCLE PAUL, on January 19 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

Somehow I think you made an error. Needing a tool doesn't make it permanent.
neither does welding

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:47 PM

I don't think bullet buttons were an option to make an AR incapable of receiving a removable magazine even before this whole SAFE business.

Regardless, it's still a semi-automatic firearm, which are all under a lot of scrutiny here.

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:48 PM

View Postoldsteel68, on January 19 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Think it needs to be welded
how do you weld steel to aluminum

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:48 PM

Just because a California court ruled a bullet button was kosher in CA, that doesn't mean anything here.

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:49 PM

What I mean is it might be legit but no one wants to be the first who has to go to trial to prove it's legit if you get called out on it.

#12 oldsteel68

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:49 PM

View PostVycor, on January 19 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Says who? How else can we load ammo into an AR with a "perm mounted" magazine... if we can't remove it somehow, either with a key or a tool...

Your supposed to have to load it from the top, by removing the rear pin and pivot the upper. At least thats what ive read..
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#13 oldsteel68

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:50 PM

View Post50bmgshooter, on January 19 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

how do you weld steel to aluminum

Not the mag. The end of the bullet button.
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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:55 PM

The use of a tool to remove the magazine amounts to  dis-assembly of the firearm.  so the magazine is not detachable without dis-assembly.
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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:56 PM

I don't think the bullet button is going to fly in NY.  
The new law in NY reads, "a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine".
Even with a bullet button installed... this description is still accurate.  You still have a rifle that "has an ability to accept a detachable magazine".

The California law is worded slightly different, which allows for the bullet button to be effective.
California requires that the magazine be "fixed".  Their statutory definition of "fixed" means something that can't be removed without the use of a tool.    They also ruled that a bullet is a tool.  NY has no such definitions, that I know of.

Be careful with this...

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:58 PM

View PostVycor, on January 19 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Says who? How else can we load ammo into an AR with a "perm mounted" magazine... if we can't remove it somehow, either with a key or a tool... this was the same law CA passed where they couldnt have a detachable mag and one "evil" feature, so they did this, and so far its worked fine for them.

Nowhere does it state what "perm" means (meaning welded, etc...)... you can disassemble a whole gun with "tools"

Hey, by all means go for it. I would venture that it's not going to fly buy I wish you all the luck.
The mag can still be removed. Quite easily actually with just a bullet button. The have a magnet that sticks to it to make it work exactly
Ike a regular mag release. Hold on a sec, let me find it.

OK I'm back here it is.

http://ar-magmagnet.com/


Yeah, I have issues. So what.
I find it interesting. As my age, experience, and knowledge expands. My tolerance shrinks
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The FSA (Free Stuff Army) along with "I'm special" attitude is going to be the death of this wonderful country. I'm tired of paying for your stuff and you're only special to your family. Get over it.

#17 oldsteel68

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:59 PM

Why you doing this now anyways? We have a year till its an issue..
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#18 crashguy

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:59 PM

Yes be careful .... but many firearms that have traditional fixed or non detachable magazines do come off the firearm when you dis-assemble the firearm. That does not make them detachable magazines  does it.
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#19 nyguns

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Posted January 19 2013 - 10:59 PM

Why start messing around so early with the AR? A year is a long way off.
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Posted January 19 2013 - 11:06 PM

View PostTenInchFryingPan, on January 19 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

The new law in NY reads, "a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine".

Even with a bullet button installed... this description is still accurate.  You still have a rifle that "has an ability to accept a detachable magazine"


This is a valid concern with the bullet button.

I hope you are right, if everyone installed a bullet button and made AR's exempt, Cuomo would look like a tool.

Edited by CJ, January 19 2013 - 11:10 PM.

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