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Suns Out, Guns Out: How A New Bill Could Change New York Gun Laws Forever


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#21 2edgesword

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Posted May 22 2017 - 03:42 PM

Well, the "urban versus rural" myth is EXACTLY what Suffolk County police use to justify their "to and from range" administrative restriction.  I sat at a table where three of us were directly told by the Suffolk County Police Commissioner's loyal servant that the population density of Suffolk is too high, and the average handgun owner is too irresponsible to allow for civilian concealed carry.  The only civilians that are allowed to concealed carry are retired LE.  We can only hope that the national reciprocity law passes and gives them all a good smack down.


Justification for infringing on a fundamental right should be backed up with facts and not speculation. Here are some areas where CCW is allowed that have population densities greater then those found in Suffolk County (population per square mile)...

Miami 10,000+
Hialeah 10,000+
Houston 7,000+
Pittsburgh 5,510
Cleveland 5,107
Denver 4,044
Dallas 3,469

Suffolk County 1,639 and the relatively highly populated Town of Islip 3,064.

At face value their argument doesn't hold water.
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#22 NRATC53

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Posted May 22 2017 - 05:41 PM

Well, the "urban versus rural" myth is EXACTLY what Suffolk County police use to justify their "to and from range" administrative restriction.  I sat at a table where three of us were directly told by the Suffolk County Police Commissioner's loyal servant that the population density of Suffolk is too high, and the average handgun owner is too irresponsible to allow for civilian concealed carry.  The only civilians that are allowed to concealed carry are retired LE.  We can only hope that the national reciprocity law passes and gives them all a good smack down.

 

Yup, we got the old "Well,you guys are alright, but, you know, all those other people" BS which is proferred to whoever would be in the room....I brought up the Florida process, and then the REAL reason came out: "Well, if something happens in Florida they go after the state- If something happens HERE they go after US"



#23 Semperfi

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Posted May 23 2017 - 07:50 AM

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Do the anti gun folks realize that the state of Florida issues the same license in Miami that it does in the cattle country of Florida’s interior?, many other states do the same. NY’s gun control was implemented in 1911 by “Big Tim” Sullivan, a corrupt Tammany Hall politician. He instituted thus law because his criminal cohorts were being stopped from robbing and threatening recent immigrants by their intended victims arming themselves. He was also threatened by the Ballot box, as his Poll watchers were used to running off folks who wouldn’t vote for him. Rival candidate’s Poll watchers armed themselves, to resist the thugs of Big Tim, and Tim couldn’t have that. NY has lived under this autocratic law for over 100 years, and NY’ers face crime at a ridiculous rate. Most Issuing agents will NOT issue a license except heavily restricted for “Target” only. NYC tells you “Hire a cop” if you think you need protection. Ridiculous.What other right do you have to beg to exercise? Your Marriage license is recognized throughout the land, as is your drivers license, neither of which are Constitutionally guaranteed- Why wouldn’t a CCW license?



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#24 Parashooter

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Posted May 23 2017 - 10:55 AM

Yup, we got the old "Well,you guys are alright, but, you know, all those other people" BS which is proferred to whoever would be in the room....I brought up the Florida process, and then the REAL reason came out: "Well, if something happens in Florida they go after the state- If something happens HERE they go after US"

 

Yep... well, CT Licenses are issued by the COUNTY - and are UNRESTRICTED - (Now to look up their pop. density I guess)...  (non-resident licenses are issued by the state)

 

So much for that bullshit.

 

ETA - just looked up pop. densities...   CT ranks #4, NY ranks LOWER at #7 - But there's a significant differnce in the numbers.

 

CT comes in at 741 per square mile, NY - a measly 420 per sq.mi....   really blows that argument away.

 

on a county level, Hartford and Fairfield, CT's two densest though, are a bit lighter than suffolk at 1,100 .... but that's not enough to really make a case for their excuses.


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#25 NRATC53

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Posted May 24 2017 - 12:50 PM

Still waiting for my comments to post- Not holding my breath...



#26 PeepSight

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Posted May 24 2017 - 03:38 PM

It's for the children?



#27 Parashooter

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Posted May 25 2017 - 08:15 AM

Still waiting for my comments to post- Not holding my breath...

My copy of yours too..."awaiting moderation"

 

So - a follow-up.

 

"Exactly HOW MANY “children” have accidentally shot someone? – Factually it is an insignificant number – I researched this last year, and the only ONE I could find in New York, was an EIGHTEEN year old (living on his own – so you can’t blame anyone else) Who of course was NOT legally licensed to possess a handgun… I also had spoken to a legislator a few years ago who was pushing for a law like this – the ONE case he presented was over 25 years prior…

Come on, reality is this is nothing more than another attempt to ban guns from Law-Abiding-Citizens.

Ask the NYPD officers who already got stuck with heavy triggers like this bill proposes – they HATE THEM! The heavy triggers make them MORE dangerous – harder to aim, harder to shoot accurately.

Lastly, I posted a comment a few days ago – what’s wrong? are you afraid to allow a post that tells the truth?"


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Posted May 25 2017 - 08:30 AM

There is no First Amendment in Canada.



#29 firemanvin

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Posted May 25 2017 - 09:38 AM

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